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Old 01-04-2013, 10:30 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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" If I live in the tenderloin, are there "bad" areas I should be avoiding?"

I've had a lot of discussions around this with people I know and also on this forum. It's interesting that a lot of times younger, white, hipster/soon-to-be-yuppie types will try to downplay the dynamics of the Tenderloin in an effort to appear more hardened or "real" or something.

But in reality it is a very rough neighborhood. And I say this living in an area in San Francisco that is basically the other Tenderloin, so it's not like I'm not accustomed to seeing people smoking crack/selling heroin every time I leave my house.

The level of desperation in that neighborhood is hard for me, personally, to deal with. It's really depressing. Every time I'm there I see people at their worst struggling to try to hustle up enough money for dope.

But basically, the roughest areas are Leavenworth and Hyde between Golden Gate and Ellis, Turk St east of Larkin, Jones and Ellis... Basically to simplify this the area bordered by Ellis, Golden Gate, Hyde, and Taylor tends to be very rough. My girlfriend works in that area and always has some insane and terrible stories about what she saw on her way to or from work.
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Old 01-04-2013, 12:20 PM
 
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Perhaps this question might not make sense; I've been going through online and saw a lot of people say that certain areas of the tenderloin are more concentrated with problematic aspects of that town, more so than other areas of the tenderloin.

I think I've decided on living in taylor suites, which is a studio on 250 taylor st (it's on taylor and ellis facing the hilton hotel there). Can any SFers or Tenderloiners comment on this? Is there a particular street corner or a set of street blocks that I should try to bypass? I'm probably going to come off work late at 9 to 10pm, and I just wanted to see if I should be avoiding a certain path on my walk back to the apartment.
250 Taylor St isn't too bad... I'd avoid going toward Jones St and avoid going toward Turk St. It gets better North or East of that location.
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:41 PM
 
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The whole thing. The whole Tenderloin is terrible and they have the dirtiest nastiest restaurants. If you want food poisoning eat in the Tenderloin.
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Old 01-04-2013, 04:28 PM
 
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" If I live in the tenderloin, are there "bad" areas I should be avoiding?"

I've had a lot of discussions around this with people I know and also on this forum. It's interesting that a lot of times younger, white, hipster/soon-to-be-yuppie types will try to downplay the dynamics of the Tenderloin in an effort to appear more hardened or "real" or something.
True. The other day I had some people ask me how to get to polk st and I told them it was a tranny neighborhood. Then I told them to watch out because it gets rough as you head to polk st (we were on o'farrell) and one of the girls just yelled out 'HAHAH THATS THE TL THE TL AINT THAT BAD)

I laughed inside. They were headed towards o'farrell and jones lol.

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Old 01-05-2013, 11:51 PM
 
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I've lived in the Tenderloin for about 4 years now (Geary & Jones). And A walk down Jones to Market on my way to work pretty much every day. I've felt remotely concerned for my saftely, nor have I ever seen anything worse than vagrancy committed in terms of crime. I'm a guy, so that of course colours my perception. But, if you're in the neighbourhood during the day you'll see elementary and junior highscool kids coming to and from school unescorted and the ubiquitous 90 year old Asian women returning with produce they've purchased at the local markets. These days, especially since the Jones open up, there heavy foot traffic until early in the morning across a very broad socio economic group.

That said, the core tenderloin is home to a very large number of transients, homeless, dug addicts and people with severe, untreated (or at least insufficiently treated mental illness). And it does have a higher crime rate than the rest of the city. (though not THAT much high.) My guess that quite a bit of the crime is drug related or domestic, but how much is difficult to tell. I personally love living here. It feels to me like one of only a few authentic neighbourhoods left. It has great bars, great ethnic restaurants. Lots of ethnic groceries and a Trader Joe's within walking distance of most of it. It's close to the main BART and Muni lines... It really is by far the best place I've ever lived. But I wouldn't say it's for everyone.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:54 AM
 
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I've lived in the Tenderloin for about 4 years now (Geary & Jones). And A walk down Jones to Market on my way to work pretty much every day. I've felt remotely concerned for my saftely, nor have I ever seen anything worse than vagrancy committed in terms of crime. I'm a guy, so that of course colours my perception. But, if you're in the neighbourhood during the day you'll see elementary and junior highscool kids coming to and from school unescorted and the ubiquitous 90 year old Asian women returning with produce they've purchased at the local markets. These days, especially since the Jones open up, there heavy foot traffic until early in the morning across a very broad socio economic group.

That said, the core tenderloin is home to a very large number of transients, homeless, dug addicts and people with severe, untreated (or at least insufficiently treated mental illness). And it does have a higher crime rate than the rest of the city. (though not THAT much high.) My guess that quite a bit of the crime is drug related or domestic, but how much is difficult to tell. I personally love living here. It feels to me like one of only a few authentic neighbourhoods left. It has great bars, great ethnic restaurants. Lots of ethnic groceries and a Trader Joe's within walking distance of most of it. It's close to the main BART and Muni lines... It really is by far the best place I've ever lived. But I wouldn't say it's for everyone.
This pretty much sums up the attitude that I'm talking about.

I'm not saying that the Tenderloin is the worst place on earth or anything (I like on a corner that is basically a miniature TL) but statistically and observationally it has a high incidence of just about any crime you can think of.

Also you live on Geary. Come on now. That's really far up there.

Yes there are a lot of children living there. I'm pretty sure by the tone of your post that you have little if no relationship to the families you see in the neighborhood. I could tell you some horror stories about what countless children in that neighborhood are dealing with before they even get to elementary school (my girlfriend works at a preschool there, life isn't too good for most of the families she's gotten to know).

In reality, however, all the OP needs to do is spend some time walking around the neighborhood to see if it is the right place for him/her.

It is also unfortunate that, in the past 4 years, it seems like rents for studios in the Tenderloin have almost doubled. It's a shame that low income families and individuals are now paying $1600 for a studio that would have cost them $900 in 2009 in a neighborhood that is basically the skid row of Northern California.
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:45 PM
 
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Many more. Turk and Taylor is the worst.
I suggest just taking a seat in the Club 21, order cheap drinks and watch some crazy shat go down...

All in all though, I've walked through the Tenderloin plenty of times and while the smell of urine and the sketch factor can be high, at the same time I've never really felt threatened. And the edges along the north, west, and east borders of the neighborhood aren't all that bad at all these days--it's really when you get into the darkest corners in the center of the Loin or on the southern edge near Market--or even across Market on 6th that things are really sketchy.

Great Vietnamese food and a good Burmese place on Larkin.

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Old 01-07-2013, 09:50 PM
 
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I've lived in the Tenderloin for about 4 years now (Geary & Jones). And A walk down Jones to Market on my way to work pretty much every day. I've felt remotely concerned for my saftely, nor have I ever seen anything worse than vagrancy committed in terms of crime. I'm a guy, so that of course colours my perception. But, if you're in the neighbourhood during the day you'll see elementary and junior highscool kids coming to and from school unescorted and the ubiquitous 90 year old Asian women returning with produce they've purchased at the local markets. These days, especially since the Jones open up, there heavy foot traffic until early in the morning across a very broad socio economic group.

That said, the core tenderloin is home to a very large number of transients, homeless, dug addicts and people with severe, untreated (or at least insufficiently treated mental illness). And it does have a higher crime rate than the rest of the city. (though not THAT much high.) My guess that quite a bit of the crime is drug related or domestic, but how much is difficult to tell. I personally love living here. It feels to me like one of only a few authentic neighbourhoods left. It has great bars, great ethnic restaurants. Lots of ethnic groceries and a Trader Joe's within walking distance of most of it. It's close to the main BART and Muni lines... It really is by far the best place I've ever lived. But I wouldn't say it's for everyone.
uhh the first block of turk st has a crime rate 35 times higher than the rest of the city...and 8 times higher than any other block in the tenderloin...

Turk Street Warzone: One Tenderloin Block's Violent Crime Rate 35 Times Higher Than City Average


Also Geary is a stretch. Geary is more Union Squareish.
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Old 01-07-2013, 09:52 PM
 
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I suggest just taking a seat in the Club 21, order cheap drinks and watch some crazy shat go down...

All in all though, I've walked through the Tenderloin plenty of times and while the smell of urine and the sketch factor can be high, at the same time I've never really felt threatened. And the edges along the north, west, and east borders of the neighborhood aren't all that bad at all these days--it's really when you get into the darkest corners in the center of the Loin or on the southern edge near Market--or even across Market on 6th that things are really sketchy.

Great Vietnamese food and a good Burmese place on Larkin.
My friend got his phone stolen outside that bar lol.


edit: then he got mad and went to buy some cigarettes and smoke them down the street, he then got jumped by a group of 5 further down turk st towards powell and ended up in an ambulance headed to kaiser
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:11 AM
 
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the tenderloin is a fantastic neighborhood - great food, great central location, and great people
yes, it can be depressing...lots of seniors and children - lots of sadness, but also lots of kindness
my apt is/is not in the loin depending on who you talk to (sutter/larkin) but I've been here since 2000 and feel generally as safe as I do anywhere - I'm a 5'0 female native who grew up in the 1970's mission district - have to admit that I'm bummed that the whole city is becoming crazy expensive rent wise - that apt I rented in 1996 was 550/month is now close to 2000!
for the first time in my life, I'm considering leaving sf for financial reasons -
anyway, welcome to our neighborhood! bring your common sense and an open mind-you'll be fine
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