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Old 01-19-2013, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Originally Posted by Mark Fitsburgh View Post
PR tactic by OPD? Why would OPD need to lie? The city's residents hate the police, they are not trying to impress anyone.
No Oakland residents hate false promises. Ahem...like the tax increase we funded a few years ago that set minimum staffing levels of 850 officers. Where the money was raided and reallocated for other programs that had nothing to do with public safety.

The proof is in the results, not the press releases.

 
Old 01-20-2013, 02:01 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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The proof is in the results, not the press releases.
Except if the press release are positive about Oakland, like Mayor Quan blatantly lying that the majority of crime occurs in 100 blocks leaving the rest of the city relatively crime free (which she later recanted because it was false and untrue). Then of course those press releases are golden, and to be posted in every thread about Oakland.
 
Old 01-20-2013, 02:26 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Except if the press release are positive about Oakland, like Mayor Quan blatantly lying that the majority of crime occurs in 100 blocks leaving the rest of the city relatively crime free (which she later recanted because it was false and untrue). Then of course those press releases are golden, and to be posted in every thread about Oakland.
Quan has made it abundantly clear she will throw her staff under the bus to save her tail.

The 100 block premise has some basis in reality. Crime doesn't happen equally everywhere in the city. Violent crime maps demonstrate this pretty concretely. Unfortunately Quan didn't do her research and actually determine what the true answer is. And I expect similar behavior from OPD.
 
Old 01-20-2013, 03:29 AM
 
Location: East Bay Area
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Quan has made it abundantly clear she will throw her staff under the bus to save her tail.

The 100 block premise has some basis in reality. Crime doesn't happen equally everywhere in the city. Violent crime maps demonstrate this pretty concretely. Unfortunately Quan didn't do her research and actually determine what the true answer is. And I expect similar behavior from OPD.
Yap.

She was corrected.

90% of homicides and shootings occurred within 8% of the city in 2011.

From 2007-2011, it occurred within 20% of the city.
 
Old 01-20-2013, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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Quan has made it abundantly clear she will throw her staff under the bus to save her tail.

The 100 block premise has some basis in reality. Crime doesn't happen equally everywhere in the city. Violent crime maps demonstrate this pretty concretely. Unfortunately Quan didn't do her research and actually determine what the true answer is. And I expect similar behavior from OPD.
The point was the statement was unequivocally proven false, and Quan took enough fire that she had to come out publicly and admit she made a mistake (aka lied). That didn't stop every Oakland booster from continually posting her statements for months on end even AFTER she admitted she had lied.

But 15 bodies get dropped on the street, and the Oakland PD says there is a gang war going on?

"On no, it can't be that. We don't trust the Oakland PD. I've never even seen ONE dead body on Piedmont avenue, and I walk there everyday."
 
Old 01-20-2013, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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The point was the statement was unequivocally proven false, and Quan took enough fire that she had to come out publicly and admit she made a mistake (aka lied). That didn't stop every Oakland booster from continually posting her statements for months on end even AFTER she admitted she had lied.

But 15 bodies get dropped on the street, and the Oakland PD says there is a gang war going on?

"On no, it can't be that. We don't trust the Oakland PD. I've never even seen ONE dead body on Piedmont avenue, and I walk there everyday."
Where are these alleged "booster" posts?

And where exactly did I say I don't trust OPD? Sorry you are mistaken here Doc. I don't believe in press releases (as someone who used to work in PR). It is all spin. The proof is in the results.

Come back to me when OPD actually charges and prosecutes people in these incidents.

PS: According to Jean Quan, North Oakland isn't even part of "Real Oakland" why would I believe anything she says?
 
Old 01-21-2013, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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Back on topic.

One of the gangs involved in the recent gang war has been found to be responsible for a murder/robbery of a Silicon Valley entreprenuer:
Raveesh Kumra Murder Tied to Notorious Oakland Gang

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The murder of Monte Sereno, Calif., resident Raveesh Kumra in a November home invasion has been tied to a notorious Oakland gang, according to investigators.

Although police reports and other documents related to the homicide case have been sealed at the request of Los Gatos-Monte Sereno police, law enforcement sources told the Mercury News that the millionaire tech investor was set up by an escort who tipped off two Oakland gang members who have been charged with his murder.

DeAngelo J. Austin, 21, and Javier R. Garcia, 21, have been charged along with 26-year-old Lukis D. Anderson with the slaying of 66-year-old Ravi Kumra on Nov. 30. They are also accused of assault with a deadly weapon by using a metal object to strike Harinder Kumra, Kumra’s wife, threatening her with bodily harm and falsely imprisoning both her and husband during the attack in the couple’s home.
Who says Oakland gang crime only has an effect on a select few in the city?
 
Old 01-21-2013, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland
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Back on topic.

One of the gangs involved in the recent gang war has been found to be responsible for a murder/robbery of a Silicon Valley entreprenuer:
Raveesh Kumra Murder Tied to Notorious Oakland Gang



Who says Oakland gang crime only has an effect on a select few in the city?
LOL

You mean the hooker, I mean 'escort' Raveesh Kumra was seeing was actually gathering intelligence for a gang so they could rob him?

Moral of the story: Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas.
 
Old 01-21-2013, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Studio City, CA
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Back on topic.

One of the gangs involved in the recent gang war has been found to be responsible for a murder/robbery of a Silicon Valley entreprenuer:
Raveesh Kumra Murder Tied to Notorious Oakland Gang



Who says Oakland gang crime only has an effect on a select few in the city?
Interesting article, thanks.
 
Old 01-21-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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Back on topic.

One of the gangs involved in the recent gang war has been found to be responsible for a murder/robbery of a Silicon Valley entreprenuer:
Raveesh Kumra Murder Tied to Notorious Oakland Gang



Who says Oakland gang crime only has an effect on a select few in the city?
the victim was using prostitutes which is ILLEGAL and inviting them to his home

this actualy confirms what I believe about oakland homicides : don't engage in criminal activity or criminals and your risk is miniscule
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