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Old 01-24-2013, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland
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You seem to know quite a bit about this. Are we sure that high cost prostitutes associate with violent thugs only in Oakland, and nowhere else? We await the evidence.
Your in for a loooooooooong wait. LOL

 
Old 01-24-2013, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Ohio; originally Oakland, CA
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Wish more people in this thread would be outraged about the gang war happening in Oakland.
Here is me being outraged:

 
Old 01-24-2013, 03:01 PM
 
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what is the world coming to when an ex-con can't associate with drug dealers and prostitutes without putting his life in danger?
 
Old 02-08-2013, 12:21 AM
 
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Basically. None of this should come as a surprise to anyone.

When you commit a crime with a criminal, chances are they have friends.
I'm certainly surprised at this, all people have their vices, especially the wealthy ones, How many Hayward Hills residents do you think are involved in Oakland's drug trade? Even if it's just purchasing a personal supply from time to time? You don't hear about them getting murdered very often
 
Old 02-08-2013, 12:40 AM
 
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Between Money Team and Ghost Town, and the multiple gangs they are warring with, they probably out number the police by a good number. So they probably can't round all of them

When civil authorities lose control of the situation, as in this case, that is justification for marshall law. Condon off the area controlled by the gangs, just as was done at Fallujah, warn residents to evacuate, verify ids, send the military in and arrest everyone until identification and release or internment, shoot those that resist. Put them out of business and retake our cities.
How long are we going to tolerate these gangs?
 
Old 02-08-2013, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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When civil authorities lose control of the situation, as in this case, that is justification for marshall law. Condon off the area controlled by the gangs, just as was done at Fallujah, warn residents to evacuate, verify ids, send the military in and arrest everyone until identification and release or internment, shoot those that resist. Put them out of business and retake our cities.
How long are we going to tolerate these gangs?
Preaching to the choir. Bringing in the national guard would bring the crime rate down drastically.
 
Old 02-08-2013, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Shingle Springs, CA
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The State has been giving LOTS of money to combat gang violence in Oakland for YEARS. Things don't get better there. Someone other than the PD and the mayor need to take over figuring this out, because they haven't been successful. Project Ceasefire worked very well in Stockton over a decade ago, and then Stockton dropped the program, and well, look at Stockton now. Ceasefire is an evidence-based program that is proven to work. While Oakland is one of the implementing cities, they have not been successful. In California it is known as the Safe Community Partnership.
 
Old 02-08-2013, 07:36 PM
 
Location: East Bay
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I think what they need to do. Is stay with a single strait forwards strategy. Such as weed and feed. And not constantly be trying this and trying that. Which is wasteful with funding. And dos not allow enough time for anything to work. When I was in Iowa city. You never heard anything about issues with the police dept. (By the way. Average wait time for a response to a 911 call. At the west edge of town. (I know from experience. Having once had to call 911 due to a stroke in 2008.) Was about five minutes! And the distance to the police dept from the west side. Is roughly the same as the distance from one side to the other side of San Francisco. Iowa city by the way is a university town.) Seems like here in Oakland. (I moved here in 2011.) All you hear is complaints about the police. Why is this? Seems like things are a lot more disorganized and confused here. As far as government services are concerned. (Oh and no! Iowa city was Democrat. And has been since the sixty's. So you can't put the blame there.) Frankly with all this confusion, red tape, slow response by government agency's etc. I am ammazed that the crime rate is so low here! (Had this been Iowa city? The national guard would already be marching down the street. Cause of the rioting.)
 
Old 02-09-2013, 11:41 AM
 
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I think what they need to do. Is stay with a single strait forwards strategy. Such as weed and feed. And not constantly be trying this and trying that. Which is wasteful with funding. And dos not allow enough time for anything to work. When I was in Iowa city. You never heard anything about issues with the police dept. (By the way. Average wait time for a response to a 911 call. At the west edge of town. (I know from experience. Having once had to call 911 due to a stroke in 2008.) Was about five minutes! And the distance to the police dept from the west side. Is roughly the same as the distance from one side to the other side of San Francisco. Iowa city by the way is a university town.) Seems like here in Oakland. (I moved here in 2011.) All you hear is complaints about the police. Why is this? Seems like things are a lot more disorganized and confused here. As far as government services are concerned. (Oh and no! Iowa city was Democrat. And has been since the sixty's. So you can't put the blame there.) Frankly with all this confusion, red tape, slow response by government agency's etc. I am ammazed that the crime rate is so low here! (Had this been Iowa city? The national guard would already be marching down the street. Cause of the rioting.)
The problem Oakland is that the majority of the residents hate cops. So the Oakland police can't do their job and that is why they are in receivership.
 
Old 02-09-2013, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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To be fair, Oakland residents have had little reason to trust Oakland PD in recent years.
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