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Unread 02-12-2013, 01:29 PM
 
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Yes, it makes for a good news headline more than making any big changes but this area was selected for many of the reasons already mentioned. The OP mentioned it borders Rockridge, then it is also near Berkeley & Emeryville. Oakland would like people to move to Oakland, visit Oakland, spend money in Oakland which helps the city economically. Yes, you might call that gentrification. As others have mentioned, you can go from the glamour of Union square to the open air drug market of the Tenderloin very quickly but SF makes sure Union Square stays cleaned up. Also look at the map - the freeways provide a strong dividing line to separate the injunction area which should make it easier to enforce.

And then there is East Oakland. Very few from outside the area are going to East Oakland voluntarily and it would take a massive amount of time and resources (OPD is down 200 officers, schools are broke) to really lower the crime rate in East Oakland. The area didn't get that way overnight but it has had problems for decades and there is no quick fix. Jobs would be a start but it's tougher to sell Oakland to companies when you are not only known for a high crime rate but have to deal with downtown protests/vandalism every so often.

 
Unread 02-14-2013, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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Yes, it makes for a good news headline more than making any big changes but this area was selected for many of the reasons already mentioned. The OP mentioned it borders Rockridge, then it is also near Berkeley & Emeryville. Oakland would like people to move to Oakland, visit Oakland, spend money in Oakland which helps the city economically. Yes, you might call that gentrification. As others have mentioned, you can go from the glamour of Union square to the open air drug market of the Tenderloin very quickly but SF makes sure Union Square stays cleaned up. Also look at the map - the freeways provide a strong dividing line to separate the injunction area which should make it easier to enforce.

And then there is East Oakland. Very few from outside the area are going to East Oakland voluntarily and it would take a massive amount of time and resources (OPD is down 200 officers, schools are broke) to really lower the crime rate in East Oakland. The area didn't get that way overnight but it has had problems for decades and there is no quick fix. Jobs would be a start but it's tougher to sell Oakland to companies when you are not only known for a high crime rate but have to deal with downtown protests/vandalism every so often.
Exactly. S.F has done a good job keeping its tax revenue generating areas safe. They've also managed to attract a lot of investment from high-tech, which Oakland has never been able to do.
 
Unread 02-18-2013, 11:29 AM
 
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Exactly. S.F has done a good job keeping its tax revenue generating areas safe. They've also managed to attract a lot of investment from high-tech, which Oakland has never been able to do.
I agree. If Oakland could just find a way to increase tax revenues to put more police on the streets, then maybe things would be different.
 
Unread 02-18-2013, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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I agree. If Oakland could just find a way to increase tax revenues to put more police on the streets, then maybe things would be different.
Yup but it's also a question of chicken and the egg. How can Oakland attract more private investment? By lowering crime and having better public schools so white collar techies will move there. How do they get that? By hiring more police through higher tax revenue... and around we go.
 
Unread 02-18-2013, 01:35 PM
 
Location: West Coast Wanderer
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If true that's interesting given that the brunt of the opposition to the North Oakland gang injunction comes from people that are from North Oakland. I'm guessing said community groups that helped get these injunctions through in the first place are mainly comprised of recent arrivals.
It does sort of work that way in Oakland unfortunately. Those in DEO have a complete and total distrust for the city government and anything that involves bringing more OPD into their areas. They simply don't trust OPD enough to even consider it. However, I do think you and Jade are still correct to a degree. North Oakland's demographic is changing. In many ways, it's becoming an extension to the CAL community among other types moving in. It's proximity to the tourist areas adds to it. many from the CAL communities in Berkeley and North Oakland have become part of the renaisance that is taking place in Uptown and down to JLS. These areas are most definitely going to be dealt with first. I think it's a combination of these two opinions.
 
Unread 02-27-2013, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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Oakland conducted a raid into East Oakland yesterday backed up by SWAT, bomb squad, and Federal Agents:
FBI takes part in East Oakland gang shooting standoff | www.ktvu.com
 
Unread 02-27-2013, 07:16 PM
 
Location: State of Alert
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There's been blatant drug activity going on at Rockridge BART for decades. Police don't even bother to patrol there. If they took any of this seriously, they'd have done something about it ages ago. It's not rocket science.
 
Unread 02-27-2013, 07:18 PM
 
Location: State of Alert
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By hiring more police through higher tax revenue... and around we go.
I wonder how the impending Sequester is going to affect that?
 
Unread 02-27-2013, 07:23 PM
 
Location: State of Alert
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Agree with this.

This is how you preserve economic vitality in a city. Make sure the places where people do actual spend money are protected.
Too bad the Berkeley City Council never figured this out, and let Cody's Books sink (in spite of Cody's desperate public demands for cleaning up drug activity outside their door). The Berkeley City Council has never understood that their salaries depend in part on business tax revenues.

Sorry. Off-topic rant.
 
Unread 02-27-2013, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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I wonder how the impending Sequester is going to affect that?
I think we can take a good guess.
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