03-13-2013, 10:51 PM
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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But as I said b4, its a done deal, the 49ers will be a SF team in "name only." I'm just hoping that the City will lobby the NFL for a new Franchise. A Major International City such as San Francisco should not be without an NFL Franchise. As a SF native I will keep pressuring the Mayor, & BOS to do so.
Los Angeles is several times bigger than SF, and certainly is every bit as much a major, prominent metropolis - but doesn't have an NFL team. They're doing fine.
03-15-2013, 10:50 AM
Location: Chicago
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It is a pity & a shame for a major City such as San Francisco, not to have a NFL team located within the City limits.
certainly San Francisco's status not only one of the great, major, alpha cities in the United States but of the world would suggest The City should have an NFL team within The City's limits.
in backwater, faceless, no account and generally not very well known cities, that is not the case. So it is fine that Phoenix has its Cardinals playing in Glendale. True as well for Washington to have its Redskins in Landover. Likewise for New York to have its Giants and Jets play in the Meadowlands. And, of course, for Los Angeles to have its......its.......its(?) play in....?.......?........?
03-17-2013, 03:33 AM
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@ edsg25 Ikr....But do you realize that the Cardinals are called the "Arizona Cardinals?" And please Google the following info, if U don't believe me, all the other teams U named above are no more than 20 miles, or 10 minutes from their namesake City...The San Francisco 49ers will be located 40.5 miles from its namesake City, and 2 Counties away, for the 1st time in NFL History, the 49ers will play the furthest of "ANY" Pro Football team...That is why the San Jose Mercury News now calls the 49ers, "South Bay Football." The 49ers stadium will be located 1 block away from the largest City in Northern California....do U get that?
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03-17-2013, 03:44 AM
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That proposal, which included a retail and entertainment center to be sited next to the new stadium at Candlestick Point, was put together by Carmen Policy, who was the 49ers' president at the time the bond issue passed. Ufortunately that plan went away when Policy left to become a minority partner in the new reconsistituted Cleveland Browns team.
The residents of San Francisco, threw that proposal out with the vote of Measure G in 2008, which included Hunters Point, as the new location for the stadium site. You are certainly right about Carmen Policy, but the main person who put a wrench in building the stadium in SF was Ed DeBartolo. Had he not got in trouble with the Feds, a new Stadium would have been built in the City, and we would have never had a change in the 49ers ownership.
03-17-2013, 06:12 AM
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@ edsg25 Ikr....But do you realize that the Cardinals are called the "Arizona Cardinals?" And please Google the following info, if U don't believe me, all the other teams U named above are no more than 20 miles, or 10 minutes from their namesake City...The San Francisco 49ers will be located 40.5 miles from its namesake City, and 2 Counties away, for the 1st time in NFL History, the 49ers will play the furthest of "ANY" Pro Football team... That is why the San Jose Mercury News now calls the 49ers, "South Bay Football." The 49ers stadium will be located 1 block away from the largest City in Northern California....do U get that?
i don't negate the significance of that observation one bit. of course, if you consider the Jets and Giants play out of state in the meadowlands (albeit a stone's throw away from manhattan), playing in NJ for NY teams may be more of an identity crisis than the 49ers playing so far off in Santa Clara.
I would have to add that the distance to Santa Clara is as much indicative of the topography and geography of the Bay Area than anything else. That great big bay in the middle distorts distances, pushing everything further out; if you catch my drift.
i'm actually on the same page with you, KG, on the 49ers and San Francisco. the 49ers are unique: the most iconic, historical, traditional franchise on the West Coast. Playing in the most traditional and historically urban cities in the West. Those deep, deep roots count, as you have noted.
unfortunately, the 49ers have been SFINO (SF in name only) since the move to Candlestick, since there is nothing "San Francisco" about it other than it falls within Staten Island. Indeed if the Giants and Jets have moved to a new stadium built on the southern tip of Staten Island, there would have been nothing NYC about it, save for city limits. In fact, the Meadowlands comes far closer to being NYC than that southern tip of SI does.
one could thus argue that when the Niners left Kezar, they have in effect left San Francisco.
and I'll still stick to the notion that the placement of an MLB part in the heart of the city is far more important than placing an NFL stadium there. Due to the length of the schedule, MLB teams truly become part of the fabric of the city, affect money spent on game day with lots of spillover effect. The NFL's mere 8 Sundays does little to connect with a city.....further demonstrated in the closed off element of seat surrounding NFL stadium, compared to the opened-up-to-the-city MLB park.
So it's sort of a mixed bag for me: I would have loved to see the 49ers keep the SF address, but realize that the Hunters Point location was fringe SF at best and that the 49ers never were (from a real estate perspective) going to join the Giants downtown.
"And I am telling y'all that the issue for a new team in SF will come, and the old 49ers will
become San Jose's own NFL team ." Will never happen. Just look at the Angels. when they left Chavez Ravine and moved to OC, they decided to go with the identity of their new surroundings which they determined not to be LA. Thus the generic Calfornia Angels followed by the absurd notion of the Anaheim Angels. Then they came to their senses and took only that LA name once again because LA sells, LA matters, LA is a selling point. Even if that silly "of Anheim" (barely even used, isn't it?) is put in place.
The San Francisco 49ers are worth a heckeva lot more than the San Jose 49ers would be. And while there is no such thing as "the San Francisco area" (that's why god, in his infinite wisdom, created the Bay Area), but SF is still the unfitting city for the counties around the bay; the team would be nuts to give up that SF for an interjoined S and J on an oval on their helmet. ain't going to happen.
03-18-2013, 09:32 AM
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I lost some respect for the 49ers.
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And to be honest, Niners can be named anything as long as it's not "San Jose 49ers". Not because I'm partial to the San Francisco name, but in my opinion a team should be named for the city it actually plays in.
In the Bay Area (and especially the South Bay) the smaller cities do not think of themselves as suburbs of any of the Bay's two anchor cities (SF and SJ). They are all parts of the Bay Area region.
Santa Clara is not a suburb of San Jose, so rebranding the Niners as "San Jose 49ers" is just absurd to me
Should they have been named "Santa Clara 49ers"? To me, YES. But then, that wouldn't be too good from a marketing perspective...
04-05-2013, 04:33 PM
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And to be honest, Niners can be named anything as long as it's not "San Jose 49ers". Not because I'm partial to the San Francisco name, but in my opinion a team should be named for the city it actually plays in.
In the Bay Area (and especially the South Bay) the smaller cities do not think of themselves as suburbs of any of the Bay's two anchor cities (SF and SJ). They are all parts of the Bay Area region.
Santa Clara is not a suburb of San Jose, so rebranding the Niners as "San Jose 49ers" is just absurd to me
Should they have been named "Santa Clara 49ers"? To me, YES. But then, that wouldn't be too good from a marketing perspective...
Santa Clara ... isn't that near LA? /sarc
04-05-2013, 04:47 PM
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I have not read through all the posts, but once the team is in the Silicon Valley I think it will be become even more of a San Jose/Silicon Valley event. This will be a San Jose/Santa Clara/Silicon Valley team!
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People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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