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Old 03-05-2013, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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Looks like the myth of the Bay Area being more commuter friendly than Los Angeles has been dispelled again. As someone who has lived in both places and used the major mass transit systems of each area (BART/Metro/MTA,etc), I've always known this to be true:

Census: Bay Area tops 'mega-commuter' list

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Bay Area drivers have the worst of the worst commutes in America, according to new Census Bureau statistics. A "mega-commuter" is a worker who spends at least 90 minutes, plus 50 miles to get to the office in the morning. "Mega commuters" exist across the country -- there are about 587,000 of them, but the highest percentage are in the Bay Area.
Of course that won't stop "some people" from spreading more myths about how easy it is to commute in the Bay Area compared to other cities.


 
Old 03-05-2013, 08:21 AM
 
Location: East Bay, CA
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That list really doesn't mean much, other than the Bay Area is such a highly desirable place to work (ie. high salaries) that people will commute more than 50 miles/90 mins. LA and DC traffic are MUCH worse.
 
Old 03-05-2013, 08:24 AM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Hmm, interesting. Having lived in Southern California for many years and dealing with long commutes there, I still think Bay Area traffic is a "piece of cake" compared with LA. The Bay Area commuting is bad during traffic hours, I agree, but rarely lingers on after that. In LA, traffic can be bad at any time of the day.
 
Old 03-05-2013, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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No, that's the point, it's a myth that Bay Area traffic isn't as bad as DC or L.A. The list doesn't "mean much" to you because it doesn't support your inaccurate viewpoint of Bay Area traffic, but this study proves that commute times are longer in both time and distance than LA metro, and DC.

For instance, people claim the 405 in SoCal is full of traffic during peak hours. But is it worse than I80 east from 4pm to 7pm? No, it's about the same. After 7PM, both are relatively clear as well. Also the 680 and 101 during peak times in the South Bay? Probably worse than anything on the 405 until maybe the 405 meets the 10.

The Bay Area USED to be better than Los Angeles for traffic and commuting (back in the 90s), but the tech booms, and growth of silicon valley and S.F as tech job centers has forever changed that. Many commutes in the Bay Area are simply worse than L.A now which hasn't had the same type of rapid growth since the 90s.
 
Old 03-05-2013, 08:27 AM
 
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Well, having commuted in LA but not SF I do pity you all in the bay area for the commute.
 
Old 03-05-2013, 08:28 AM
 
Location: East Bay, CA
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It doesn't "prove" anything.

Just because you want Bay Area traffic to be the worst in the country (a pretty stupid wish if you ask me...), doesn't make it so.
 
Old 03-05-2013, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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Well, having commuted in LA but not SF I do pity you all in the bay area for the commute.
L.A traffic is specifically timed around certain hours. On the 405, you can be in a parking lot during certain times. But after 7PM? You can drive from Ventura County to Orange County in a little over an hour.

In the Bay Area, I've noticed the grid lock is at least TWICE as bad as it was back in the mid-90s.

It's a myth that Bay Area traffic "isn't that bad", it's horrible plain and simple and this study finally proves what I've been noticing the past 10 years.
 
Old 03-05-2013, 08:36 AM
 
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L.A traffic is specifically timed around certain hours. On the 405, you can be in a parking lot during certain times. But after 7PM? You can drive from Ventura County to Orange County in a little over an hour.

In the Bay Area, I've noticed the grid lock is at least TWICE as bad as it was back in the mid-90s.

It's a myth that Bay Area traffic "isn't that bad", it's horrible plain and simple and this study finally proves what I've been noticing the past 10 years.
I had flexible scheduling when I worked down there. Worked 4 10's and had Fridays off. Sometimes the traffic would be unaccountably bad for no known reason. Relying on specific timing only gets ya so far.

I'm quite aware the freeways can be clearer at off peak commute times. /shrug
 
Old 03-05-2013, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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Case in point. Take two suburb commutes into the city (one for S.F, and one for L.A) at 7:30am on a weekday.

Concord CA to San Francisco - 30.8 miles
Estimated commute time in current traffic: 1 hour, 10 minutes


Santa Clarita to Los Angeles - 31.4 miles
Estimated commute time in current traffic: 56 minutes


 
Old 03-05-2013, 08:52 AM
 
Location: East Bay, CA
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yeah nice way to cherry pick cities

here's a real time estimate for Fullerton, CA to LA (a common commute). FYI there's no toll plaza or tunnel, just volume:

  1. 26.4 mi, 32 mins
    In current traffic: 57 mins
    I-5 N
  1. 33.1 mi, 38 mins
    In current traffic: 1 hour 7 mins
    CA-91 W and I-710 N
  2. 35.9 mi, 40 mins
    In current traffic: 1 hour 2 mins
    CA-60 W

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