04-17-2013, 12:33 PM
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It is always about money and race. When is it not?
04-17-2013, 12:39 PM
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It is always about money and race. When is it not?
My point is that the level of intelligence that this piece approached the topic of race and class in Oakland with is very low.
04-17-2013, 01:04 PM
Location: Oakland, CA
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oakland is already unaffordable for most people in the good locations. I had to leave uptown because my rent went to 2300 for a two br.
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Really?! Unbelievable. That sounds almost like SF type prices.
Those Uptown places are totally overpriced. Every other good area is much cheaper. You are paying extra for shiny new apartments. A one bedroom in Rockridge is about $1400. Piedmont Ave: $1100-1300.
Uptown isn't the "nicest" area in Oakland. It is up and coming and has buzz. Very different.
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04-17-2013, 01:05 PM
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Money has more to do with it than anything. The Bay Area has been slowly gentrifying for decades now, and once one area becomes ridiculously expensive, then people move to another area until it follows the same fate. The COL is to me a serious problem here. We bought last year after a decade or more of saving. Even though we make a good income, the number of affordable areas is even at our level fairly low. So when that's put into consideration, that means the areas that are still somewhat affordable to middle class residents and especially the working class has been shrinking and that's not very good for those who fit in that financial category. I myself grew up in a lower middle class family and do not like what gentrification does to areas.
04-17-2013, 01:22 PM
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Those Uptown places are totally overpriced. Every other good area is much cheaper. You are paying extra for shiny new apartments. A one bedroom in Rockridge is about $1400. Piedmont Ave: $1100-1300.
This is another issue, why is having something that doesn't look like it hasn't been renovated since the 60s off limits? I lived in Broadway Grand before they started selling them again. When I first moved in I was paying 1900 for a 6th floor unit with 2 bedrooms a parking space and 1600 square feet. It was huge and overlooked downtown Oakland and I could see SF. Before I moved out my rent jumped to the 2300. Have you seen the 1 bedroom $1300 dollar places around Oakland? I choose to live in Oakland, I grew up here and want to stay. The fact I have to pick some old outdated place with dirty carpet in order to afford rent is BS. This is the only place next to NYC or maybe Hawaii where you can spend this kind of money for a place and it's old as hell.
04-17-2013, 01:46 PM
Location: Oakland, CA
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This is another issue, why is having something that doesn't look like it hasn't been renovated since the 60s off limits? I lived in Broadway Grand before they started selling them again. When I first moved in I was paying 1900 for a 6th floor unit with 2 bedrooms a parking space and 1600 square feet. It was huge and overlooked downtown Oakland and I could see SF. Before I moved out my rent jumped to the 2300. Have you seen the 1 bedroom $1300 dollar places around Oakland? I choose to live in Oakland, I grew up here and want to stay. The fact I have to pick some old outdated place with dirty carpet in order to afford rent is BS. This is the only place next to NYC or maybe Hawaii where you can spend this kind of money for a place and it's old as hell.
That is a Bay Area problem. But you can't find new en masse in the urban areas. But they do exist. My place is fairly renovated. New floors. Newish kitchen. Dishwasher.
04-17-2013, 01:49 PM
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Those Uptown places are totally overpriced. Every other good area is much cheaper. You are paying extra for shiny new apartments. A one bedroom in Rockridge is about $1400. Piedmont Ave: $1100-1300.
shiny new studios in san francisco can go for ~$2800+
a new uptown one bedroom a 15 minute bart ride from the finacial district for $1900 is almost a bargain.
as long as san francisco rents are so insane urban walkable areas in oakland with good transportation are going to increase in demand
04-17-2013, 02:07 PM
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shiny new studios in san francisco can go for ~$2800+
Sure. If you look around though you can finder cheaper new spots in Old Oakland.
. More like $1500.
Other safe and walkable areas are about 65% of the uptown price.
They are capitalizing on the priced out of SF crowd who feel like being trendy.
You can find grittier apartments in downtown Oakland for like $900. Grand Lake is about $1000.
People who don't do their research will feel like things are expensive.
04-17-2013, 02:30 PM
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Those Uptown places are totally overpriced. Every other good area is much cheaper. You are paying extra for shiny new apartments. A one bedroom in Rockridge is about $1400. Piedmont Ave: $1100-1300.
As others above have mentioned, one of the reasons uptown rents are higher is that it's the only area of the city with newer apartments. Most of the apartment stock in otherwise nice areas is old and crappy.
04-17-2013, 02:57 PM
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Sure. If you look around though you can finder cheaper new spots in Old Oakland.
. More like $1500.
Other safe and walkable areas are about 65% of the uptown price.
They are capitalizing on the priced out of SF crowd who feel like being trendy.
You can find grittier apartments in downtown Oakland for like $900. Grand Lake is about $1000.
People who don't do their research will feel like things are expensive.
right.old oakland is a good alternative cheaper with decent bart acces but it can seem kind of dead at times.
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Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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