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Old 05-09-2013, 09:06 AM
 
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And before you ask me why I stopped, I'll tell you. I just couldn't do it anymore. Trying to help the homeless, without any help from the government and with relatively little empathy and help from society, was trying to empty out the ocean with a slot spoon. I just got burnt out. There just so many misconceptions about the homeless, and somehow those misconceptions are handed down from one generation to another.
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:54 AM
 
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Help needs to start from within, you can't help a meth addict unless they want help.
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:07 AM
 
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Help needs to start from within, you can't help a meth addict unless they want help.
You posted this observation because you think
1. all
2. most
3. a majority
4. or even a substantial percentage
of homeless are meth addicts?

Or is it an allusion that somehow meth addiction and homelessness are the same kind of problem?
And you somehow are sure that all these folks who lost their jobs and didn't have sufficient savings or other assets to carry them through up to years without income are defectives who need help? No one who is a capable functioning person could possibly be living close to paycheck-to-paycheck and just find themselves with a pinkslip in hand without sufficient rent money?
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Old 05-09-2013, 11:50 AM
 
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You posted this observation because you think
1. all
2. most
3. a majority
4. or even a substantial percentage
of homeless are meth addicts?

Or is it an allusion that somehow meth addiction and homelessness are the same kind of problem?
And you somehow are sure that all these folks who lost their jobs and didn't have sufficient savings or other assets to carry them through up to years without income are defectives who need help? No one who is a capable functioning person could possibly be living close to paycheck-to-paycheck and just find themselves with a pinkslip in hand without sufficient rent money?
No, it is called an analogy...

Unless a homeless persons truly wants to stop being homeless and is looking for someone to give him the opportunity to work, outsider help is meaningless. Same thing as a meth addict, a stranger trying to help him clean up is pointless unless the addict wants to clean up himself.

I have no problem if the government were to create work programs for homeless so they have the opportunity to make and save money, but you should get off your high horse thinking you are so great for opening your neighbors wallet to give to the homeless.
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:02 PM
 
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Help needs to start from within, you can't help a meth addict unless they want help.
That is true for any addict though.
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:25 PM
 
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Help needs to start from within, you can't help a meth addict unless they want help.
An addict shouldn't have to get clean and/or sober before he/she is treated like a human being.
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:54 PM
 
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There are two possible outcomes of addiction:

1. Recovery
2. Death

Treating addicts with compassion and understanding can help lead to recovery, but in the end the addict has to make the choice to get clean. Yes, it's a choice. Not sure why this is confusing or hard for people to understand.
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:55 PM
 
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An addict shouldn't have to get clean and/or sober before he/she is treated like a human being.
That as well.

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There are two possible outcomes of addiction:

1. Recovery
2. Death

Treating addicts with compassion and understanding can help lead to recovery, but in the end the addict has to make the choice to get clean. Yes, it's a choice. Not sure why this is confusing or hard for people to understand.
It's not confusing, but you are asking those least able to make critical decisions to make a critical decision. It's very difficult, and very frightening to get off something that will leave you wishing you were dead if not actually dead in worst case as you struggle to get off of it.
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:05 PM
 
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That as well.



It's not confusing, but you are asking those least able to make critical decisions to make a critical decision. It's very difficult, and very frightening to get off something that will leave you wishing you were dead if not actually dead in worst case as you struggle to get off of it.
Ah, we have some knowledgeable posters. Please keep posting. But there just comes a time when you realized it's like hitting your head against a wall. People have a certain mindset, they are sure they are right, and they will not think outside that box.

We could make such a big difference in the lives of the homeless if we had just 1/3 of what the latest (and useless) two wars have cost us. But this thread isn't about that, I know.
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:26 PM
 
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No, it is called an analogy...

Unless a homeless persons truly wants to stop being homeless and is looking for someone to give him the opportunity to work, outsider help is meaningless. Same thing as a meth addict, a stranger trying to help him clean up is pointless unless the addict wants to clean up himself.

I have no problem if the government were to create work programs for homeless so they have the opportunity to make and save money, but you should get off your high horse thinking you are so great for opening your neighbors wallet to give to the homeless.
Don't know if you are addressing me specifically here?

I would point out, in any case, that no one individual is in a position to open up their neighbors' wallets to give to the homeless. We function as a society. Some of us recognize there are costs to helping the homeless, yet even more cost to NOT helping solve this crisis. I recognize that some people believe the problem should be / can be eliminated by forcing the homeless to another state -- but, short of the only other alternative of killing the homeless, shuttling them off to Timbuktu isn't going to happen. Homelessness is a symptom of a social / cultural condition. It will not cease with each busload ferried to Nevada. I will vote to open wallets as necessary to safeguard -- and improve -- our society by providing dignified treatment of my fellow citizens.
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