San Jose Sues MLB (San Francisco, Oakland: to buy, to move, stadium)

[ssmaster]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

So then you understand why there could be a settlement?

i can't think of a settlement that will not allow other small market teams to move and make the owners of the A's and san jose happy.
if they allow the A's to move into sf territory they are setting a precedent that will allow other owners to move.
the seattle and tampa lawsuits were related to expansion teams not an existing team moving into anothers territory

[krudmonk]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

I can't wait for SJ to show evidence that MLB breached some sort of legal agreement with the city when no such contract exists.

They should be suing Lew Wolff.

You're right, no such agreement exists between MLB and SJ. The contract is between the city and the team, but MLB is acting as a single entity which oversees all such decisions and thus closes the free market. This line of thinking serves only to prove that Major League Baseball is a monopoly, and the applicability of their anti-trust exemption is questionable as baseball finances have changed dramatically since 1922.

Originally Posted by ssmaster

i can't think of a settlement that will not allow other small market teams to move and make the owners of the A's and san jose happy.
if they allow the A's to move into sf territory they are setting a precedent that will allow other owners to move.
the seattle and tampa lawsuits were related to expansion teams not an existing team moving into anothers territory

Wrong, guy. There is no precedent to be set that hasn't been already. MLB handled the Washington Nationals moving from another TV market into Orioles territory, but the A's cannot even move within the same market. The league actually worked to negotiate that resolution, not let it linger and fester into a lawsuit.

[athleticsfan72737489]

Originally Posted by Natural510

This needs to get resolved one way or the other, so I don't see the lawsuit as a bad thing, even for the pro-Oakland side of the issue.

This is exactly how I feel. Oakland has had years to get its act together and come up with a site and plan. Wolff is completely uninterested in Oakland period.

My guess is that if this case doesn't get dismissed, it will be settled. MLB would force the Giants to accept a check from Wolff for the territorial rights. MLB doesn't want to be dragged through a long trial where their anti-trust exemption is being put at risk (while putting Selig on the stand and opening up its books.)

[ssmaster]

Originally Posted by athleticsfan72737489

. MLB would force the Giants to accept a check from Wolff for the territorial rights. MLB doesn't want to be dragged through a long trial where their anti-trust exemption is being put at risk (while putting Selig on the stand and opening up its books.)

so what would stop oakland from suing in this scenario of mlb writing a check to the giants. if losing their anti trust status is such a risk a lawsuit from oakland would have the same risk (possibly more because oakland has a business relationship with mlb/athletics and san jose does not)?

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by ssmaster

so what would stop oakland from suing in this scenario of mlb writing a check to the giants. if losing their anti trust status is such a risk a lawsuit from oakland would have the same risk (possibly more because oakland has a business relationship with mlb/athletics and san jose does not)?

Excellent point.

Furthermore if San Jose apparently views having a baseball team as some sort of human or civil right( which is exactly how their lawyer came across on TV) then Oakland can sue to protect its right to keep the team it has and the Giants can certainly sue to protect their territory.

See, there's room for lawsuits all around.

[krudmonk]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

Beyond that, the inability of the city to compete for business and tax base is the principle being questioned here. You boil it down to San Jose politicians just wanting a team, because you hope that makes the effort look more trivial than it is, but there would not be a law firm working on contingency if that were the essence of this case.

...and look who's still not paying attention...

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Furthermore if San Jose apparently views having a baseball team as some sort of human or civil right( which is exactly how their lawyer came across on TV).

Get real.

[18Montclair]

Hahaha...its not my fault your lawyer sounded like he was fighting to end slavery. #drama

[krudmonk]

You're out of relevant points, I see.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

You're out of relevant points, I see.

Oh I didnt realize this thread was the actual court case.

I guess I could echo the MLBs sentiment that this lawsuit has no legal basis and seeks to undermine their policies and rules, but I wont.

Furthermore, we are polar opposites with respect to our opinions here. There is nothing either of us can say that will change opinions.

On the other hand, nothing spells doom to a potential business partnership quicker than a preemptive lawsuit...so thanks San Jose!

lol

[18Montclair]

And there is no way in hell owners would ever vote to force the Giants to give up their territory, because these billionaires know full well that they might find themselves in the same boat some day.

Which is why this hasnt happened yet. The Giants have flat out stated that Santa Clara County is 40% of their fan base. Period.

So whose supposed to replace those fans and corporate sponsors? The East Bay? I think not.