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Old 10-23-2013, 01:44 PM
 
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I'd like to preface this post by stating that I am not anti law enforcement, nor am I a racist. I simply believe that good and evil exists in all walks of life without prejudice...

On Tuesday, October 22, in the quiet city of Santa Rosa California, hispanic teenager Andrew "Andy" Lopez was shot and killed by Sheriff's deputies in broad daylight. His crime? He was playing with a TOY RIFLE. This young man was known in the community for being a polite, well spoken and thoughtful 13 year old. He had no history of anger or aggression, and had never once been in trouble at school or with the law. Although only a day and a half old, the mainstream media has done everything it can to BURY THIS STORY.

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Old 10-23-2013, 01:50 PM
 
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the only details I've read about the case is that the deputies shot a kid with a realistic toy gun.

Barring additional details, it's a bit early to be making any sort of determination.
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Old 10-23-2013, 02:56 PM
 
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The boy was carrying a replica AK-47 apparently. Tragic turn of events, but at the same time, I can see how this situation might've ended this way.

Santa Rosa Teen Shot And Killed While Carrying Replica AK-47: SFist
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Old 10-23-2013, 03:12 PM
 
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Deputy officers aren't community watch people. They are expected to have extensive knowledge and be calculated in their decision making, especially when it comes to the usage of deadly force. Anyone with any sort of firearms knowledge could tell from a mile away that the AK-47 Rifle in question was a fake. Not only that, but the young man was not pointing it in anyones direction, nor was he attempting to use it to commit a crime, intimidate a private citizen or impersonate an officer of the law. He was a child playing with a toy, end of story.

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Old 10-23-2013, 03:29 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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Deputy officers aren't community watch people. They are expected to have extensive knowledge and be calculated in their decision making, especially when it comes to the usage of deadly force. Anyone with any sort of firearms knowledge could tell from a mile away that the AK-47 Rifle in question was a fake. Not only that, but the young man was not pointing it in anyones direction, nor was he attempting to use it to commit a crime, intimidate a private citizen or impersonate an officer of the law. He was a child playing with a toy, end of story.

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It's a sad story but I would expect the same to happen to me if I was walking down the street with a replica AK-47. Being young, male and a minority he should have been a lot more aware of what he looked like to the police, especially in a city like Santa Rosa where latino gangs definitely have a presence.

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Old 10-23-2013, 03:51 PM
 
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Last time I checked, it wasn't warranted for an officer of the law to kill an individual unprovoked simply because they had a toy rifle in their possession. Law enforcement officers are literally sworn in by an oath to protect the people and use deadly force only when absolutely necessary. There is NOTHING in any of the initial reports to suggest that even a taser device should have been used against this young man, let alone a firearm.

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Old 10-23-2013, 04:14 PM
 
Location: The Great State of Arkansas
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Please hold this conversation to the incident cited. Any comparisons to other cases should be taken to P & OC. This is not the forum for a national debate. Thank you.
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Old 10-23-2013, 04:14 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Very tragic, but police officers only have a split second to make a decision. From far away, it can be difficult to tell if a weapon is a replica or a real one.
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Old 10-23-2013, 04:24 PM
 
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Very tragic, but police officers only have a split second to make a decision. From far away, it can be difficult to tell if a weapon is a replica or a real one.
How did this even go down?

Did they pull out and tell him to drop the replica before firing or did they fire without warning? Was the kid aiming it at them?

We need more details.
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Old 10-23-2013, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Kihei, Maui
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An investigation is taking place, but I noted three things in the article on SFGate:
  1. The picture of the pelllet gun looked a lot like an AK-47
  2. He apparently also had a BB/pellet handgun in his wasteband
  3. They apprently did tell him to drop the weapon
Based on the information we have so far, it appears to be a terrible, but understandable tragedy. I'd be willing to bet the officers/deputies involved feel absolutely terrible, even if they're cleared of any wrongdoing.

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