Are there any established middle class black communities in the Bay Area? (Vallejo: income, wealthy)

[Motion]

Originally Posted by Nineties Flava

There is no healthy black business center in the Bay at this point in time... The ones that did exist back in the day in SF and Oakland were in many cases actively shut down by their city governments at the time.

Is that what happened to the Fillmore area back in the 60's that many called "Black removal"?

[Motion]

Originally Posted by Malloric

The Bay Area isn't as racist as the south, so middle class blacks generally don't feel as much of a need to form ethnic enclaves, that's especially true the last 20 years.

I wonder if the OP is thinking about Chinatown(and other Asian towns) as being an enclave for Chinese-Americans and was wondering where was the Black equivalent communities?

[GalacticDragonfly]

Originally Posted by Lena2345

I have spent time in Oakland and San Francisco. The only groups mixing are whites and the various Asian ethnic groups.

Middle class blacks are virtually non existent in the Bay area, but there are plenty of impoverished blacks. Although the DC metro area is segregated like CA, blacks tend to do far better, than in the so called progressive liberal Bay Area. Why is that?

I'm positive you didn't explore Oakland, or the East Bay for that matter. Sure this applies for San Francisco, because San Francisco is expensive and the only huge black population in San Francisco is poor, I admit this. Most Middle Class blacks left for the East Bay.

But you're absurd to claim that Oakland doesn't have affluent blacks or Middle class blacks en masse. You should probably explore Oakland more than just a brief car ride down the highway.

Oh and by the way, check out these incomes for the "overwhelming poor and hardly non-existent middle class blacks" in Oakland:

Large Cities that are 25%+ Black

Median Annual Earnings
Full-Time Employed Black Males, 2011
Oakland, CA $55,837
Washington, DC $46,103
New York, NY $40,137
Chicago, IL $38,599
Baltimore, MD $37,187
Jacksonville, FL $37,008
Boston, MA $36,931
Charlotte, NC $38,868
Philadelphia, PA $36,412
Milwaukee, WI $35,428
Detroit, MI $35,281
St Louis, MO $34,016
Atlanta, GA $31,895
Kansas City, MO $31,827
New Orleans, LA $31,018
Cleveland, OH $26,374

Median Annual Earnings
Full-Time Employed Black Females, 2011
Oakland, CA $50,209
Washington, DC $47,311
New York, NY $39,210
Boston, MA $37,531
Baltimore, MD $36,772
Chicago, IL $35,755
Philadelphia, PA $35,315
Charlotte, NC $33,006
St Louis, MO $31,972
Jacksonville, FL $31,446
Atlanta, GA $30,691
Kansas City, MO $31,525
Milwaukee, WI $30,234
Detroit, MI $30,295
Cleveland, OH $28,882
New Orleans, LA $27,518

So, we blacks in the Bay appear to be doing a little better than our more segregated black counterparts in the rest of the country.

[Kurinji]

Originally Posted by Lena2345

In the South, blacks own businesses and many are professionals residing in middle and upper income areas. Why is it that blacks own virtually nothing in the Bay area? mod cut

I have a friend (black) who lives in Frederick County, MD, and she pointed out to me that there are quite a few upper middle class blacks who live in her area.

I'm black, a Los Angeles native, and lived in San Francisco for nearly 22 years. I grew up and went to school with blacks, Latinos, and whites, and I've always felt comfortable socializing with people of different cultural and racial backgrounds. The lack of a black middle class in San Francisco was pretty noticeable, even to me, a person who was used to seeing middle class blacks in LA County. As far as black middle- and upper-income neighborhoods within the Bay Area itself, I'd have to agree with others that one doesn't really see that here. Maybe it's because of the history of the area, blacks moving here from other locations to take on jobs at the Naval installations (research Hunters Point Naval Shipyard, Concord Naval Weapons Station, Mare Island, etc.), that were later lost.

This article profiles 25 of the most influential blacks in technology. I wonder where they choose to live within the Bay Area (those who are based here)?

Most Influential Blacks In Technology - Business Insider

I forgot to add that when I considered moving to Oakland back in the 90s, I asked a couple of black girlfriends if they'd consider moving there, and they both adamantly refused to even consider Oakland, and one of my friends is a San Francisco native.

[Sam I Am]

Originally Posted by Lena2345

I'm asking where are the middle class black communities where black middle class residents reside?

Folks, this is the question - this is in the OP, it's the point of this thread. Please stay on topic.

[04kL4nD]

I and other posters have posted numerous neighborhoods in Oakland, but they weren't good enough to meet the OP's standards. And there you have it.

[baybook]

Originally Posted by Lena2345

I would be interested in seeing the overall number of blacks in the Bay area with middle class incomes.

No, you're not going to find that area in Oakland. Not now and not when I gre up 40 years ago. The Bay is much more an income based place. In general, the East Oakland hills used to have predominantly middle class and Black but there wa sa definite mix of middle working and professional plus working class homeowners. The rest of Oakland was and is somewhat mixed and income based.

Maxwell Park used to be an upper working class Black neighborhood, but that changed 25 years ago. I doubt it is majority Black now. I also doubt the East Oakland Hills are predom Black at this point. Every time I go home, I notice that fewer Blacks are moving into the neighborhood. The older folks are dying or moving and being replaced by Whites.

[cupone]

Originally Posted by Lena2345

In the South, blacks own businesses and many are professionals residing in middle and upper income areas. Why is it that blacks own virtually nothing in the Bay area? mod cut

There are a lot of highly educated and well-established Blacks in the East Bay. Your problem seems to be that the middle class+ Blacks aren't segregationists. Please read this section on Oakland history as it relates to early Black history in Oakland for some insight - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland...s_and_1950s.29

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by GalacticDragonfly

I'm positive you didn't explore Oakland, or the East Bay for that matter. Sure this applies for San Francisco, because San Francisco is expensive and the only huge black population in San Francisco is poor, I admit this. Most Middle Class blacks left for the East Bay.

But you're absurd to claim that Oakland doesn't have affluent blacks or Middle class blacks en masse. You should probably explore Oakland more than just a brief car ride down the highway.

Oh and by the way, check out these incomes for the "overwhelming poor and hardly non-existent middle class blacks" in Oakland:

Large Cities that are 25%+ Black

Median Annual Earnings
Full-Time Employed Black Males, 2011
Oakland, CA $55,837
Washington, DC $46,103
New York, NY $40,137
Chicago, IL $38,599
Baltimore, MD $37,187
Jacksonville, FL $37,008
Boston, MA $36,931
Charlotte, NC $38,868
Philadelphia, PA $36,412
Milwaukee, WI $35,428
Detroit, MI $35,281
St Louis, MO $34,016
Atlanta, GA $31,895
Kansas City, MO $31,827
New Orleans, LA $31,018
Cleveland, OH $26,374

Median Annual Earnings
Full-Time Employed Black Females, 2011
Oakland, CA $50,209
Washington, DC $47,311
New York, NY $39,210
Boston, MA $37,531
Baltimore, MD $36,772
Chicago, IL $35,755
Philadelphia, PA $35,315
Charlotte, NC $33,006
St Louis, MO $31,972
Jacksonville, FL $31,446
Atlanta, GA $30,691
Kansas City, MO $31,525
Milwaukee, WI $30,234
Detroit, MI $30,295
Cleveland, OH $28,882
New Orleans, LA $27,518

So, we blacks in the Bay appear to be doing a little better than our more segregated black counterparts in the rest of the country.

This post is EVERYTHING!

And as far as the OP, Sequoyah, Chabot Park, Golf Links, Eastmont Hills, Millsmont, Toler Heights, Maxwell Park and Leona Heights are all Oakland neighborhoods with large concentrations of middle to upper class Blacks.

Next time your in town, inbox me and I'll introduce you one of the many Black Bay Area millionaires I have on speed dial.

LOL

[smashystyle]

The I-80 corridor from nicer parts of Richmond, through Pinole, Hercules, Vallejo, and Fairfield, had many middle-class black residents when I was growing up 15 years ago, but few neighborhoods that were majority-black. Most neighborhoods had no racial majority.