San Diego vs Berkeley (Encinitas, Petaluma: work, single, good)
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Stop before you burst a vein. Nobody called SF ugly or boring or anything actually derogatory. It's the view of some that it has recently become an exclusive home for the trendy and rich. That's no comment on you, just those around you. Sorry if you can't accept that. If you want, I'll give SF a thousand compliments (it could be done) for every time I mention my only problem with the place: many of its people. They just don't strike me as "real" at all, neither on a personal level or at that of the entire populace.
I used to have this theory that you were bay_area and dimondpark, but now I think you've been beone and gellio_sf this whole time. Maybe you should tell us more and more and more about how "European" your city is and then shower more in the praise of people who see it through tourist eyes.
Then I guess you wouldnt really know what sophistication really is then. SF is showered with accolades year in year out by publications and columnists around the world lauding The City-sorry but your just plain in denial.
I would hardly hold up inbred horsey-faced trust fund people whose ancestors profitted off of child labor as examples of sophistication. Sorry but in 2008, San Francisco is an icon of many things and sophistication is one of them whether you choose to acknowledge that or not.
Actually according to the person who authored the concept of "Boutique" Cities, NY is example number one. I guess the Irony Soup is popular on cold days such as these...drink up.
Lol i love your San Fran dillusion. It's gotten to the point where cartoons (south park) even poke fun at the pretentious atmosphere in SF. If you think SF is the epitome of urban sophistication you obviously don't have family or friends in the upscale parts of manhattan. I'd suggest heading out that way and taking a stroll along fifth avenue. The tenderloin is not sophisticated. Hunters point and bay view are not sophisticated. The gay parade is not sophisticated. Open air drug markets are not sophisticated. And name-calling does not prove your point but infact contradicts it.
Lol i love your San Fran dillusion. It's gotten to the point where cartoons (south park) even poke fun at the pretentious atmosphere in SF. If you think SF is the epitome of urban sophistication you obviously don't have family or friends in the upscale parts of manhattan. I'd suggest heading out that way and taking a stroll along fifth avenue. The tenderloin is not sophisticated. Hunters point and bay view are not sophisticated. The gay parade is not sophisticated. Open air drug markets are not sophisticated. And name-calling does not prove your point but infact contradicts it.
That's it, comparing the Tenderloin and Hunters Point to "upscale parts" of Manhattan. Totally fair but not surprising.
And having lived on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, I am well aware of NYs charms and speak from personal experience, but why are you so put off by my suggestion that SF is the epitome of sophistication. "Epitome" simply means "an example of". SF is in fact an example of a sophisticated city-period end of story. Didnt say SF is the only epitome, but most of the entire Northern Third of the City of San Francisco is a very sophisticated, rich and very chic place. What's wrong with calling a spade a spade?
Stop before you burst a vein. Nobody called SF ugly or boring or anything actually derogatory. It's the view of some that it has recently become an exclusive home for the trendy and rich. That's no comment on you, just those around you. Sorry if you can't accept that. If you want, I'll give SF a thousand compliments (it could be done) for every time I mention my only problem with the place: many of its people. They just don't strike me as "real" at all, neither on a personal level or at that of the entire populace.
I used to have this theory that you were bay_area and dimondpark, but now I think you've been beone and gellio_sf this whole time. Maybe you should tell us more and more and more about how "European" your city is and then shower more in the praise of people who see it through tourist eyes.
We dont live in a depraved, destitute place. We have a lot going for us and there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that. I mean, duh, we have problems-there are 7 Million of us.
But most of us are quite happy and actually love living here.
We dont live in a depraved, destitute place. We have a lot going for us and there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that. I mean, duh, we have problems-there are 7 Million of us.
But most of us are quite happy and actually love living here.
Man, I wasn't even addressing anything like that. My whole point has been about San Francisco alone. The Bay Area is very polarizing. SF has become one part of a greater whole that is the entire region. SF itself, though, is less varied when compared to the wholes of Chicago or New York. It contains many elements necessary to a city, but many others exist in the East Bay, South Bay, etc.
For example, imagine the aforementioned Chicago or New York (other "city" standards) without major league sports. No Bears? No Yankees? No Cubs? No Knicks? On the other hands, the Bay Area would have teams in MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, MLS and more even without San Francisco's teams, although they are beloved. That is one way in which calling SF, by itself, the pinnacle of completeness is false.
Man, I wasn't even addressing anything like that. My whole point has been about San Francisco alone. The Bay Area is very polarizing. SF has become one part of a greater whole that is the entire region. SF itself, though, is less varied when compared to the wholes of Chicago or New York. It contains many elements necessary to a city, but many others exist in the East Bay, South Bay, etc.
For example, imagine the aforementioned Chicago or New York (other "city" standards) without major league sports. No Bears? No Yankees? No Cubs? No Knicks? On the other hands, the Bay Area would have teams in MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, MLS and more even without San Francisco's teams, although they are beloved. That is one way in which calling SF, by itself, the pinnacle of completeness is false.
Oh now I see.
I still see no contradiction in saying that San Francisco is the "epitome of urban sophistication" size notwithstanding. Why is that so unacceptable?
I still see no contradiction in saying that San Francisco is the "epitome of urban sophistication" size notwithstanding. Why is that so unacceptable?
You had also called it "complete" before. Don Vito is debating the "urban sophistication" comment. You're arguing two fronts so don't bunch us together.
On that note, though, I do find "urban sophistication" to be a very ethnocentric viewpoint. Is that to say that the opera crowd is superior to 924 Gilman kids? Is a North Beach restaurant more acceptable than one in Sausalito even if everything about the two is identical? What's sophisticated? Are the rest knuckle-draggers?
Don't get me wrong. It's nice and everything, but "urban" and "sophisticated" should not go together because then the two definitions become intertwined. Anything urban is sophisticated and anything else is neither. I'll be up there later tonight to visit some friends and we'll go out to the bars and have fun just like we have in many locales. It won't be any more or any less sophisticated, despite the urban setting.
This is exaggerated by many. Al Gore won San Diego in 2000 and John Kerry won the city in 2004. The mayor recently came out in support of same-sex marriage. The gay community is very prominent. A majority of the City Council are Democrats (5 Dems, 2 Republicans).
San Diego may be somewhat conservative compared to San Francisco, but compared to most areas of the U.S., it leans to the left.
This is exaggerated by many. Al Gore won San Diego in 2000 and John Kerry won the city in 2004. The mayor recently came out in support of same-sex marriage. The gay community is very prominent. A majority of the City Council are Democrats (5 Dems, 2 Republicans).
San Diego may be somewhat conservative compared to San Francisco, but compared to most areas of the U.S., it leans to the left.
I agree with MisterMark. Another point I want to make. It has the third largest biotech hub in the nation and that itself already show SD is not religious. I believe that there are 50% Rep, 47% Dem and 1% Independents. I, myself and my girlfriend are moving to SD very soon, and we are are totally liberals. SD is becoming more diverse everyday.
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but not surprising.
