10-10-2014, 07:24 PM
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I did the vertical line thing you did and the highest point from the northern part of the airport is 217 ft on susana ave, my view on google dipped so it looked like a birds eye view but i fixed it, but that is no where near as much protection as the 300 foot elevations west of sd airport.
There are no 300 ft elevations west of the northern tip of the SD airport.
Yeah we don't know exactly where they are taken, a good guess might be the air traffic control tower and in that case the hills west of Torrance are over a 100ft higher.
The hills west of the northern part of the SD airport vs the Torrance airport might be about 30-50 ft higher but the hills on the southern end of the airports are over 150 higher in Torrance. That combined with the 1000ft hills to the south and it's clear to anyone with a half of brain that Torrance is more protected. You yourself said the southwinds are significant no? Or are you retracting that now?
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day temps torrance is warmer, night san diego is warmer. day temps are more reflective IMO of F temps, if you want to go to the beach you'd chek the day temps compared to the night temps wouldnt you? I know 78 F high in august and sep in Redondo Beach, compared to a 77 F and 76 F high on coronado beach isnt much difference but this shows how Redondo is regularly warmer than Coronado beach. Monthly Weather Forecast for Torrance, CA - weather.com Monthly Weather Forecast for San Diego, CA - weather.com
Okay? No one was arguing that Torrance wasn't warmer during the day, what exactly is your point? Having that extra protection would help make it warmer during the day and colder at night of course.
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Note that Torrance is regularly more humid than San Diego Airport.
Where exactly are you noting that because the weather.com links don't show humidity at all?
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also Torrance monthly high is warmer than SD in every month of the year.
Yes being more protected from the ocean contributes to those higher temps, I'm well aware thanks
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but if you want to go with average temp which is fair. yes SD is warmer on average than Torrance (the coolest beaches in LA Metro at night)b/c of warmer night temps, but by this logic...Climatology Comparison for Antioch, CA - weather.com
Long Beach is also warmer than Canoga Park too
LOL
10-10-2014, 07:25 PM
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ive been posting scientific data (urban heat), weather.com sources, noaa, etc.
Where is your data on the difference the urban heat island affect has? How many degrees warmer does it make it? WHERE IS THE DATA?
WHERE IS THE DATA that shows 53F lows in Santa Monica in winter?
I keep asking you for this data and you keep ignoring me and not showing me any scientific data that supports your assertion. So for the 100th time, where is this data to support your statements?
10-10-2014, 07:36 PM
Location: Los Angeles
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There are no 300 ft elevations west of the northern tip of the SD airport.
Yeah we don't know exactly where they are taken, a good guess might be the air traffic control tower and in that case the hills west of Torrance are over a 100ft higher.
The hills west of the northern part of the SD airport vs the Torrance airport might be about 30-50 ft higher but the hills on the southern end of the airports are over 150 higher in Torrance. That combined with the 1000ft hills to the south and it's clear to anyone with a half of brain that Torrance is more protected. You yourself said the southwinds are significant no? Or are you retracting that now?
Okay? No one was arguing that Torrance wasn't warmer during the day, what exactly is your point? Having that extra protection would help make it warmer during the day and colder at night of course.
Where exactly are you noting that because the weather.com links don't show humidity at all?
Yes being more protected from the ocean contributes to those higher temps, I'm well aware thanks
Long Beach is also warmer than Canoga Park too
LOL
AGAIN for the NTH time the westward winds are much more stronger and have much more effect, yes south winds have an effect but more like a 1 or 2 F change, compared to west winds that is absolutely nothing.
more protected from South winds, yes, from western winds (the prevalent winds) no.
underground does, and it shows how this summer Torrance has higher dewpoints summer after summer.
Climatology Comparison for Antioch, CA - weather.com
yes "Canoga Park is 7 degrees warmer than Long Beach" says that Long Beach is warmer than Canoga Park, ahahaha. good one.
A beach city regularly at 85 in summer, compared to this valley location around 100 F is warmer in the day.
10-10-2014, 08:41 PM
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AGAIN for the NTH time the westward winds are much more stronger and have much more effect, yes south winds have an effect but more like a 1 or 2 F change, compared to west winds that is absolutely nothing.
Well the hills are higher to the west than SD's airport and the temperature range is also greater, which also indicates more protection from coastal winds. Why is it both warmer and colder than SD during the summer? What BS explanation do you have for that one now?
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underground does, and it shows how this summer Torrance has higher dewpoints summer after summer.
I'm sure that 1F difference makes it feel like Florida lol.
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Climatology Comparison for Antioch, CA - weather.com
Did you forget how to do math again? I was referring to the annual mean temp since that is what you referring to.
10-10-2014, 08:42 PM
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WHERE IS THIS DATA BTW?
10-11-2014, 09:23 AM
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People i know who moved to Oakland chose it for the "oakland-ness."
So did SF get up and walk off the globe, or is it simply out of your price range?
10-11-2014, 09:53 AM
Location: Oakland, CA
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Once again, the point flew entirely over your head.
10-11-2014, 10:01 AM
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So did SF get up and walk off the globe, or is it simply out of your price range?
No the people changed. It was in my price range for the bulk of the time. The version of SF I liked was a lot friendlier and more open minded than the one that has emerged in the past decade. A lot less pretentious too. Now add in over-priced. NYC is looking cheaper than SF.
The attitude (the white guys) in this video pretty much sums up the change perfectly.
http://uptownalmanac.com/2014/10/bro...s-soccer-field
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10-11-2014, 12:11 PM
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Well the hills are higher to the west than SD's airport and the temperature range is also greater, which also indicates more protection from coastal winds. Why is it both warmer and colder than SD during the summer? What BS explanation do you have for that one now?
i dont have an explanation on why PVP/Redondo beaches are cooler at night than all other LA Area beaches, but i do know why SD airport has 67 F average lows in Aug, its because the SD bay averages about 72 F in August, compared to 68 F in coronado beaches, that proximity to warmer waters make it warmer. but still SD isnt the warmest locale in SoCal at night during summer, Newport/Costa Mesa is the warmest coastal area in socal in summer.
Costa Mesa August Weather 2014 - AccuWeather Forecast for CA 92626
San Diego August Weather 2014 - AccuWeather Forecast for CA 92101
i was reffering to daily average high, even in the day Long Beach is warmer than Antioch on Average, and in the day Canoga Park is much warmer in the day by average.
10-11-2014, 12:15 PM
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WHERE IS THIS DATA BTW?
look at the wiki page for urban heat it will tell you
my 53 F was an educated guess, and its probably correct too, how can you argue that an unprotected locale in on top of the ocean is warmer than a place blocked by tons of buildings and man made structures releasing artificial warmth?
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People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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