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Old 01-02-2015, 04:53 PM
 
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More and more companies will keep leaving CA and CA will will be in deep trouble because of it if there isn't a more business-friendly posture taken. It's a friendly state if you are public assistance, etc. but doesn't encourage economic growth, which is what is necessary for longer term sability.
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Old 01-02-2015, 05:06 PM
 
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Yes, it's Valero. In addition to that refinery and Chevron's in Richmond, ConocoPhillips has a refinery in Rodeo, and Shell and Tesoro have refineries in Martinez.
If there are that many refineries around, why does everyone fixate on Chevron?
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Old 01-02-2015, 05:09 PM
 
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More and more companies will keep leaving CA and CA will will be in deep trouble because of it if there isn't a more business-friendly posture taken. It's a friendly state if you are public assistance, etc. but doesn't encourage economic growth, which is what is necessary for longer term sability.
I see. So, all the states that are not growing are doomed, eh? Maine hasn't been "stable" since, well, its admission to the union? Montana either? What about Nebraska? Alabama? Idaho? Kentucky? Arkansas? South Dakota? Etc. They suck because they don't grow?

California is already leaps and bounds ahead of every other state. How much does it need to keep growing? You figger it's possible to expand infinitely in a finite space with finite resources?
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Old 01-02-2015, 05:35 PM
 
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More and more companies will keep leaving CA and CA will will be in deep trouble because of it if there isn't a more business-friendly posture taken. It's a friendly state if you are public assistance, etc. but doesn't encourage economic growth, which is what is necessary for longer term sability.
If CA doesn't encourage economic growth, how is it that its economy is growing?

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Old 01-02-2015, 06:03 PM
 
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If there are that many refineries around, why does everyone fixate on Chevron?
I'm not sure that everyone fixates on Chevron exclusively. The refinery in Benicia got lots of attention when they were building housing developments nearby and the Golden Eagle refinery in Martinez had a bad reputation for safety and accidents in the '90s. If Chevron gets more attention, though, my guess is that it's because they get more scrutiny from the Richmond's City Council than other refineries do from their respective city governments, the Richmond refinery is the biggest and next to the biggest population center, and Chevron's had high-profile accidents lately. Here's a good article on the five Bay Area refineries: Bay Area refineries embarking on ambitious projects to transform how they do business - ContraCostaTimes.com
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Old 01-02-2015, 07:22 PM
 
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If there are that many refineries around, why does everyone fixate on Chevron?
Because chevrons corporate head is san Ramon. Chevron could relocate out of the Bay Area and leave refining capacity taking tens of thousands of job with them and pay less taxes.
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Old 01-02-2015, 08:07 PM
 
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Because chevrons corporate head is san Ramon. Chevron could relocate out of the Bay Area and leave refining capacity taking tens of thousands of job with them and pay less taxes.
As someone who works in a tax department of a California domiciled multi-billion dollar corporation, I can assure you that tax is not a major consideration when a corporation is deciding where to set up shop. At best, it is only one of a long list of considerations, not all of them even having to do with cost of doing business. Seriously, if businesses only cared about tax and real estate, all business in the US would be headquartered in Wyoming. Additionally, a bulk of taxes being paid by corporations are sales tax that are paid to the state where the product is sold. As I said previously, nearly all the oil refined by Chevron in California is being sold in California. Though I don't work in the oil industry, I'm making an educated guess that they're getting tax breaks for refining the product right here in the state.

I'm not losing sleep over the future fate of California business. Some may leave, others will come in. Use San Francisco as your example. The city has had so many lives, major industries coming and going, yet it's still standing. The buildings are still full of companies employing lots of people. They might be different companies than the ones that were here in the 50's, but you can't live anywhere and expect things to remain the same for 100 years without change.
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Old 01-02-2015, 08:54 PM
 
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It's paper pushers in "tax departments", with a complacent attitude and no understanding of how entrepreneurship works, that are driving the middle class out if this state.
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Old 01-02-2015, 09:21 PM
 
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It's paper pushers in "tax departments", with a complacent attitude and no understanding of how entrepreneurship works, that are driving the middle class out if this state.
Is your thread about the possibility of Chevron leaving, or is it about the middle class leaving? I thought it was about Chevron.
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Old 01-03-2015, 10:26 AM
 
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From yesterday's Chronicle, here's the latest on Benicia's decision whether to allow the Valero refinery to accept shipments of crude by rail. This, not Chevron, is the biggest refinery story of the moment. More than 40 people were killed when a train carrying bakken shale crude exploded in Canada, and if Benicia accepts crude by rail, the crude will be shipped across the US to Benicia, exposing all the communities along the way.

How crude-by-rail — and other debates — are censored - Opinion Shop
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