Crime is getting out of control... (San Jose, San Francisco: low crime, versus, stats)

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

Police don't need to do random searches on the steet, but if an illegal comes to the attention of the city, they should be deported asap. I have a hispanic friend who immigrated to this country and he is the most outspoken person I know against illegal immigration. If someone is arrested and they end up being an illegal then the local government should inform the correct authority instead of just releasing them back into society. Marijuana and being in a country illegally are apples and oranges.

He was in federal prison, he should have been deported from there. A 10 year old misdemeanor warrant where there has been no attempt to arrest is known as a 'stale warrant' and the case can't be prosecuted. If the feds had contacted San Francisco I'm sure they would have told them to keep him, but no, they just dump him off on SF. That is totally inexcusable and reprehensible on the part of the feds. ICE plays games like that all the time, I think they do it because by handing him off rather than deporting him they can still 'clear paper' and show the case closed without doing any work.

[dalparadise]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

He was in federal prison, he should have been deported from there. A 10 year old misdemeanor warrant where there has been no attempt to arrest is known as a 'stale warrant' and the case can't be prosecuted. If the feds had contacted San Francisco I'm sure they would have told them to keep him, but no, they just dump him off on SF. That is totally inexcusable and reprehensible on the part of the feds. ICE plays games like that all the time, I think they do it because by handing him off rather than deporting him they can still 'clear paper' and show the case closed without doing any work.

Absolutely true. Again, it's all about the money.

[AmorphicDN]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

Police don't need to do random searches on the steet, but if an illegal comes to the attention of the city, they should be deported asap. I have a hispanic friend who immigrated to this country and he is the most outspoken person I know against illegal immigration. If someone is arrested and they end up being an illegal then the local government should inform the correct authority instead of just releasing them back into society. Marijuana and being in a country illegally are apples and oranges.

Again, what is the point of reporting an illegal to "the correct authority" if the illegal hasn't done anything to cause that "correct authority" to respond in any way? Neither cities nor states can deport. Only the federal authorities. The federal authorities are not interested in deporting just anyone who is undocumented. As is being shown repeatedly (to no avail) by several well informed posters in this thread federal manpower and budget are limited. Thus they have opted to prioritize who they are interested in prosecuting and or deporting. They are after active felons. This guy did not fit the profile. The feds turned him over knowing that he was a burden to them. They knew the San Francisco policy. They didn't want him back. If he had committed armed robbery or murder then SF would have prosecuted him - as they now will.

Also of particular special relationship to this topic, the truth about immigrant crime tells a story of why police aren't as focused on it as the misinformed public. The facts are that immigrants, including illegals, commit significantly less crime than native born citizens.

—"Foreign-born individuals exhibit remarkably low levels of involvement in crime across their life course." (Bianca Bersani, University of Massachusetts, 2014. Published in Justice Quarterly.)

— "There’s essentially no correlation between immigrants and violent crime." (Jörg Spenkuch, Northwestern University, 2014. Published by the university.)

— "[i]mmigrants are underrepresented in California prisons compared to their representation in the overall population. In fact, U.S.-born adult men are incarcerated at a rate over two-and-a-half times greater than that of foreign-born men." (Public Policy Institute of California, 2008.)

— "[D]ata from the census and a wide range of other empirical studies show that for every ethnic group without exception, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants, even those who are the least educated. This holds true especially for the Mexicans, Salvadorans and Guatemalans, who make up the bulk of the undocumented population." (Ruben Rumbaut, University of California, 2008. Published by the Police Foundation.)

Therefore, if one's concern in this matter is the danger of crime, resources are better spent on managing the native born citizens of this country.

On the other hand, if one's focus is to vilify a minority population, a Trump campaign of falsifications is an obvious choice.

The above is simply facts. Not any apology from me in support of illegal immigration. The reality is, you can't appropriately solve any problem through falsifications and hysterical hyperbole.

[Matadora]

Interesting twist to this story.

The gun used in the seemingly random slaying of a woman on a San Francisco pier belonged to a federal agent, a law enforcement official briefed on the matter said Tuesday.

AP source: Fed's gun used in San Francisco pier slaying

[dalparadise]

Originally Posted by Matadora

Interesting twist to this story.


AP source: Fed's gun used in San Francisco pier slaying

Hillary's rant was sure a fine piece of ill-informed, reactionary pandering, wouldn't you say?

I wonder how the Tea Baggers and **** talkers will reconcile the knowledge that their half-baked ideas align with hers...

[bmw335xi]

Being here illegally is enough for deportation! What is so hard to understand about that? lol However, an illegal with a long criminal record shouldn't be hidden and protected by the city. SF was told to inform if they were planning to release him, but they decided to be quiet about letting him go. That woman's blood is on the hands of those who made that decision. Even the SFPD blasted this ridiculous policy.

[rah]

Originally Posted by Matadora

Not an impressive trend going for SF.

The day I moved here I was totally amazed at how much of a dump SF had become from days of the late 70's and early 80's.

SF had a much higher crime rate in the past than it does now. For example:

Violent crime rate per 100,000 residents:

1985 - 1,295.5
1992 - 1,821.3
2007 - 1,024.1
2013 - 847.1

robbery rate:
1985 - 696.8
1993 - 1,148.1
2006 - 517.1
2013 - 503.9

Burglary rate:
1985 - 1,603.0
1992 - 1,575.6
2006 - 866.5
2013 - 711.3

Murders:
1969 - 122
1977 - 142
1986 - 114
1993 - 129
2007 - 100
2013 - 48

Larceny theft did see a big spike recently though:

1985 - 4,280.7
1992 - 5,110.6
2007 - 3,199.0
2013 - 4,380.5

Compared to the past half century or so, the poverty rate is also lower than it used to be, there's less graffiti, less litter, fewer rundown homes, fewer abandoned buildings, fewer empty lots, etc. 1979 saw SF's population loss (which started in the 1950s and began reversing in the 1980s) hit it's peak, with about 100,000 residents lost since 1950 due to white flight and de-industrialization...a drop which has now been reversed to the point that SF is at its highest population never. It's a very desirable city. So I'm kind of confused how you conclude that SF has become more of a dump compared to the 1970s and 1980s.

SF has some crime problems, but there's no need to pretend it's worse now than in the past, unless you're talking the mid 1960s and earlier (though things get a lot worse again back in the gold rush days).

Originally Posted by andyadhi01

In the meantime two other people are shot and killed in the very hip and trendy neighborhood of Potrero Hill:

Fatal shooting is 2nd in a week on Potrero Hill block - SFGate

Both murders happened in the middle of the projects, which isn't surprising. That's the one part of Potrero Hill that hasn't gentrified, and it definitely isn't trendy.

[bigboibob]

It's in the US best interest to have an immigration policy that only allows the most productive immigrants to become citizens.

SF should strive for the lowest crime rate. This 'good enough' mentality will have dire consequences.

Crime has decreased nationally since 1980. A better comparison would be to compare San Francisco's crime rate improvement with other cities over the same time period.

[Ultrarunner]

Or it could be crime isn't as reported as before... especially when a call to police for a car or home breakin isn't responded to or the caller is told to go online and file a report... not everyone has a computer and for some... they just give up in despair.

[dalparadise]

Originally Posted by Ultrarunner

Or it could be crime isn't as reported as before... especially when a call to police for a car or home breakin isn't responded to or the caller is told to go online and file a report... not everyone has a computer and for some... they just give up in despair.

...or not. Suppositions and opinions based in anecdotal information can go either way. What about people in the 70s and 80s who didn't have phones? Or, what about undocumented victims in the 70s and 80s who wouldn't report crimes for fear of deportation?

Again, this is no statement of advocacy, it's merely made to show that the flaws you point out in collecting current data have been around as long as the data has been around.