Race Relations: The Bay vs L.A (Oakland, Vallejo: transplants, buy)

[ccm123]

I lived in various cities in Southern California, for more than 20 years. I was born and raised in the Bay Area and now back in the Bay Area. I would agree with the assessment below. Generally speaking (with exceptions, of course), Southern California is a very racially segregated place. People there generally tend to socialize and associate along racial lines. In places where races have to co-exist, there is a lot of racial tension, I've seen it.

I've seen other articles that mention this, but the one below mentions that LA is one of the most segregated cities in all of the US:

Top 10 Most Segregated Cities in the US - Atlanta Blackstar

Originally Posted by CityGuy88

I live in both areas spending about 80% of the year in LA. But I was born and raised in the Bay Area and can tell you that the racial tension in the Bay Area is no where even close to half as bad as it is in LA. In LA there's just this really thick tension you feel when you go to a neighborhood where another race/ethnicity is the majority. LA is so spread out that people don't really have to interact with 'others' if they don't want to. And in areas where two or more ethnicities have to co-exist, there's this unspeakable tension and aggression. An example of this is South Los Angeles ("South Central") where a Latin American immigration boom has resulted in Latinos forming an ever increasing majority in the historically Black section of the city. Because of this, there have been many race riots in high schools, tension over resources, and a cycle of gang violence where Latin gangs target Blacks and Black gangs retaliate by targeting Latinos.

Compare that to East Oakland, an almost mirror image of what's going on demographically in South LA, but a totally different atmosphere in regards to Black / Latino relations. Generally, the two groups get along well in Oakland with very little tension or rumbling. One could argue the reason for this is that unlike South LA, East Oakland has a third element: Asians. But even in "deep East Oakland" where the population is almost exclusively Black and Latino, the tension is just not as bad as it is in Los Angeles.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by CityGuy88

I live in both areas spending about 80% of the year in LA. But I was born and raised in the Bay Area and can tell you that the racial tension in the Bay Area is no where even close to half as bad as it is in LA. In LA there's just this really thick tension you feel when you go to a neighborhood where another race/ethnicity is the majority. LA is so spread out that people don't really have to interact with 'others' if they don't want to. And in areas where two or more ethnicities have to co-exist, there's this unspeakable tension and aggression. An example of this is South Los Angeles ("South Central") where a Latin American immigration boom has resulted in Latinos forming an ever increasing majority in the historically Black section of the city. Because of this, there have been many race riots in high schools, tension over resources, and a cycle of gang violence where Latin gangs target Blacks and Black gangs retaliate by targeting Latinos.

Stereotypes. While there are neighborhoods like that down south, to say that all of LA is like that is like saying the Mr. Fantastic line about how all of Oakland is a crime ridden, gang ridden hellhole. There are a lot of areas in LA where two or more ethnicities coexist and there's no aggression - in fact I'd say that's true in the majority of areas.

As said earlier in this thread the Bay Area denial of race/ethnic problems is directly linked to the Bay Area's role as a capital of the "Progressive Movement" and political correctness. LA is into those things too but it is not a leader in those things. If Bay Area racial and ethnic problems are actually admitted, then the progressive left is discredited. It is better and more effective policing in the Bay Area, and more economic prosperity, that has kept the peace. (Less so in Oakland) The Bay Area pays the welfare checks of the rest of the state - it's like the Germany to L.A.'s Greece. That's why there isn't as much battling over resources.

[BayAreaHillbilly]

Originally Posted by majoun

Stereotypes. While there are neighborhoods like that down south, to say that all of LA is like that is like saying all of Oakland is a crime ridden, gang ridden hellhole. There are a lot of areas in LA where two or more ethnicities coexist and there's no aggression - in fact I'd say that's true in the majority of areas.

As said earlier in this thread the Bay Area denial of race/ethnic problems is directly linked to the Bay Area's role as a capital of the "Progressive Movement" and political correctness. LA is into those things too but it is not a leader in those things. If Bay Area racial and ethnic problems are actually admitted, then the progressive left is discredited. It is better and more effective policing in the Bay Area, and more economic prosperity, that has kept the peace. (Less so in Oakland) The Bay Area pays the welfare checks of the rest of the state - it's like the Germany to L.A.'s Greece. That's why there isn't as much battling over resources.

Working class folks of all backgrounds have been painted into a corner up here and we now are seeing a rising wave of property crime and domestic violence as a result. AA are hardest hit however anyone who's a native / semi-native who does not have a professional pedigree or in-demand high paid trades skill is hurting and increasingly angry.

[CityGuy88]

Originally Posted by majoun

Stereotypes. While there are neighborhoods like that down south, to say that all of LA is like that is like saying the Mr. Fantastic line about how all of Oakland is a crime ridden, gang ridden hellhole. There are a lot of areas in LA where two or more ethnicities coexist and there's no aggression - in fact I'd say that's true in the majority of areas.

As said earlier in this thread the Bay Area denial of race/ethnic problems is directly linked to the Bay Area's role as a capital of the "Progressive Movement" and political correctness. LA is into those things too but it is not a leader in those things. If Bay Area racial and ethnic problems are actually admitted, then the progressive left is discredited. It is better and more effective policing in the Bay Area, and more economic prosperity, that has kept the peace. (Less so in Oakland) The Bay Area pays the welfare checks of the rest of the state - it's like the Germany to L.A.'s Greece. That's why there isn't as much battling over resources.

When did I say "all of LA" was like that? I'll wait.

[Bisaro TMF]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

of course not. Whites have shown nothing but wholesale love and affection for all races throughout human history.

lol

[BayDude]

Originally Posted by majoun

Stereotypes. While there are neighborhoods like that down south, to say that all of LA is like that is like saying the Mr. Fantastic line about how all of Oakland is a crime ridden, gang ridden hellhole. There are a lot of areas in LA where two or more ethnicities coexist and there's no aggression - in fact I'd say that's true in the majority of areas.

As said earlier in this thread the Bay Area denial of race/ethnic problems is directly linked to the Bay Area's role as a capital of the "Progressive Movement" and political correctness. LA is into those things too but it is not a leader in those things. If Bay Area racial and ethnic problems are actually admitted, then the progressive left is discredited. It is better and more effective policing in the Bay Area, and more economic prosperity, that has kept the peace. (Less so in Oakland) The Bay Area pays the welfare checks of the rest of the state - it's like the Germany to L.A.'s Greece. That's why there isn't as much battling over resources.

^Exactly. Believe me there are racial issues (below the surface) but if admitted or exposed it would pose problems for the "inclusive", "diverse" left.

And I don't really think the Bay Area is much different race relations-wise from LA. Just because blacks, whites and asians live inclose proximity to each other in Oakland doesn't mean everything is integrated. Living in close proximity means little to nothing in terms of actual dating/marriage/friendships. Its all for show.

[04kL4nD]

yeah all those interracial couples and friendships in Oakland are fake and for show.

[BayDude]

Originally Posted by 04kL4nD

yeah all those interracial couples and friendships in Oakland are fake and for show.

If its all done with a fake "politically correct" attitude, then yes.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by CityGuy88

When did I say "all of LA" was like that? I'll wait.

"And in areas where two or more ethnicities have to co-exist, there's this unspeakable tension and aggression"

In some. Not in all, or even most.

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by BayDude

If its all done with a fake "politically correct" attitude, then yes.

Interracial couples and friendships are "fake politically correct?"

Enlighten us, if you may. My friends and coworkers of mixed race await with baited breath to learn just why they may not be "real."