So what do you think Kaepernick's motivation is for his protest? (Los Angeles: crimes, attorney)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by ctr88

I have't read through all the forum comments, but I have read a number of articles about this and this is what bugs the crap out me that is never mentioned. Kaepernick's reason for his protest seems to be mostly police brutality against African Americans right? OK, here are three really important statistics that Kaepernick will never, ever, ever, ever mention.

1. whites, Asians and Hispanics are FAR more likely to be victims of violent crime inflicted by African Americans than vice versa (it's not even close). The amount of violent crime committed by whites against blacks is a very, very small number. The amount of violent crime committed by blacks against whites is very high. This is even more of an exponential difference when you adjust for AA's much smaller % of the population.

2. There are close to 5,000 black on black homicides annually in this country and only a small handful of police brutality actions against AA's that are wrongful as determined by the courts. Why doesn't Kaepernick ever mention this? To me this means he looses a lot of credibility. How can you omit this fact that shows AA's are FAR, FAR more like to suffer violence, murder, and crimes inflicted upon them by other AA's? AA's are 13% of the U.S. population and commit over 52% of all the homicides in the U.S. annually. AA's biggest threat is the thug that lives down the street, not police officers. Everyone knows this but the media, BLM, Kapernick lie about it.

3. Whites are actually the largest numerically race/ethnicity that are killed annually by police officers in the U.S. Yes whites are a much larger % of the overall population than African Americans, but when you adjust for AA's much, much higher violent crime rates (and therefore statistically many more confrontations with police officers due to their exponentially higher rates of violent crime), the % in line with what you would think they would be.

There is a tremendous amount of judgement in our society and stereotypes based on race. I'm not denying this. But when Kaepernick, BLM, and the media ignore the facts that by FAR the biggest threat to the safety and livelihood of AA's in this country is other AA's, to me they lose a lot of credibility. If they focused more on the biggest issues like: black on black violent crime, single motherhood in the black community, and the idolizing of thugs and gangsters in young black male culture via the media/rap/hip hop....they would get a lot more respect and credibility from me.

So many things wrong in this post it's hard to take seriously.

First off, CK's protest isn't "mostly about police brutality against African Americans". It's only about that.

Secondly, as Happy guy points out also, none of the arguments you are advancing here have a thing to do with police brutality against Black Americans as a systemic problem. CK isn't protesting Black on Black crime, or White on Black crime. He's protesting systemic racial violence by police against Blacks. Period.

Third - where did you get your generalized statistics anyway? Trump's infamous tweet? Which has been proven "Pants On Fire" by every fact check?

While the image references 2015, the year is not over, and no official numbers have been released. The latest data comes from the FBI for 2014. This table contrasts Trump’s figures with the official ones.
Trump Number FBI Number Error factor
Blacks killed by whites 2% 8% 4 times
Blacks killed by blacks 97% 90% Just a little off
Whites killed by whites 16% 82% 5.4 times
Whites killed by blacks 81% 15% 5.4 times

The most glaring inaccuracies have to do with white homicide victims. Trump cast blacks as the primary killers of whites, but the exact opposite is true. By overwhelming percentages, whites tend to kill other whites. Similarly, blacks tend to kill other blacks. These trends have been observed for decades.

The chart won't translate graphically aligned so you have to read it carefully - or go to the link below:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...icide-victims/

You state in another post you aren't a conservative. Just concerned with truth. Well, you are posting misleading statistics that are frequently misquoted by fringe nuts - so, if you don't want to be associated with them you ought to be more careful about the "truths" you try to cherry pick.

Or, of course, maybe you are just full of it. And I don't mean truth.

[Tulemutt]

For anyone actually interested in CK's version, here is a very revealing read that should unravel all the crap being posted about him, his protest, his charitable and social contributions, and more. It also reveals the depth of his support among teammates and coaches and other pro athletes, and more.

The new Colin Kaepernick is weathering the storm - San Francisco Chronicle

[Tulemutt]

Broncos' Brandon Marshall kneels during national anthem in season opener

Last week, Kaepernick was joined by teammate Eric Reed and Seattle Seahawks cornerback Jeremy Lane in kneeling during the final preseason games.

And a bunch more athletes poised to start doing the same. So much for CK's selfish, self-serving motivation, eh? He's just doing it because he's on the way out (except he isn't on the way out it seems). I guess all the other players joining him are all failing in their careers?

Or, is this an actual issue which time has arrived?

[the happy guy]

Originally Posted by 04kL4nD

Still waiting on a legitimate response to the article, particularly from the OP...

As you said, it doesn't fit their narrative.

Neither does the $1 million pledged by Kaepernick for charities in disadvantaged communities
Colin Kaepernick Pledges $1 Million To Underserved Communities | Huffington Post

I'll admit, I wasn't expecting the 49ers organization to follow his lead:
49ers to donate $1 million to find 'unifying solutions' to racial inequality - CBSSports.com

[ctr88]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

So many things wrong in this post it's hard to take seriously.

First off, CK's protest isn't "mostly about police brutality against African Americans". It's only about that.

Secondly, as Happy guy points out also, none of the arguments you are advancing here have a thing to do with police brutality against Black Americans as a systemic problem. CK isn't protesting Black on Black crime, or White on Black crime. He's protesting systemic racial violence by police against Blacks. Period.

Third - where did you get your generalized statistics anyway? Trump's infamous tweet? Which has been proven "Pants On Fire" by every fact check?


The chart won't translate graphically aligned so you have to read it carefully - or go to the link below:
Trump's Pants on Fire tweet that blacks killed 81% of white homicide victims | PolitiFact

You state in another post you aren't a conservative. Just concerned with truth. Well, you are posting misleading statistics that are frequently misquoted by fringe nuts - so, if you don't want to be associated with them you ought to be more careful about the "truths" you try to cherry pick.

Or, of course, maybe you are just full of it. And I don't mean truth.

So if you have group A, B, C and D. Group A commits a much higher proportion of violent crimes in most categories (homicide, assault, armed robbery, etc...) than group B, C or D. Do you don't think there is going to statistically be more violent confrontations with police officers with group A?

I'm not saying there are no issues with police brutality in America. All I am saying is whenever this topic is discussed rates of violent crime should be part of the discussion. As well as a breakdown by race & ethnicity of who shoots police officers killed on duty.

Felonies by race and ethnicity in CA:
https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a.../cd13/cd13.pdf

Homicide by race and ethnicity in CA:
https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...hm15/hm15.pdf?

2014 FBI crime states by race and ethnicity in the U.S.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ables/table-43
(this shows in 2014 blacks who are 13% if the U.S. population committed 51.3% of murder and non-negligent manslaughter, 55.9% robberies, 33.1% aggravated assaults, etc...)

Another stat you won't hear a lot:
-In 2013, a black person was six times more likely than a non-black to commit murder, and 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race
-In 2013, of the approximately 660,000 crimes of interracial violence that involved blacks and whites, blacks were the perpetrators 85 percent of the time. This meant a black person was 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa.

Here is an article from the Economist Magazine where a black economist (Roland Fryer) studied a lot of data and came to some interesting conclusions
Quantifying Black Lives Matter | The Economist

"What shocked Mr Fryer was when he looked in detail at reports of police shootings. He got two separate research teams to read, code and analyse over 1,300 shootings between 2000 and 2015 in ten police departments, including Houston and Los Angeles. To his surprise, he found that blacks were no more likely to be shot before attacking an officer than non-blacks. This was apparent both in the raw data, and once the characteristics of the suspect and the context of the encounter were accounted for."

Article on the issue by Jason Riley who is black
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...08182550247030

[Yeledaf]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Broncos' Brandon Marshall kneels during national anthem in season opener


And a bunch more athletes poised to start doing the same. So much for CK's selfish, self-serving motivation, eh? He's just doing it because he's on the way out (except he isn't on the way out it seems). I guess all the other players joining him are all failing in their careers?

Or, is this an actual issue which time has arrived?

Actually, the "issue" (which no one seems able to define, other than white bad/black good, which is idiotic) has been yapped about ad nauseum, and no amount of showboating by millionaire thugs is going to affect it one iota. Kids with no fathers. Bangers capping bangers, with innocents caught in the crossfire. A culture of violence, drugs, misogyny, and vulgarity --- THESE are the real issues, which Kapernick and his ilk tap dance around, making a public show of half-assed militancy, and accomplishing zilch.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Yeledaf

Actually, the "issue" (which no one seems able to define, other than white bad/black good, which is idiotic) has been yapped about ad nauseum, and no amount of showboating by millionaire thugs is going to affect it one iota. Kids with no fathers. Bangers capping bangers, with innocents caught in the crossfire. A culture of violence, drugs, misogyny, and vulgarity --- THESE are the real issues, which Kapernick and his ilk tap dance around, making a public show of half-assed militancy, and accomplishing zilch.

Um no. Total BS. The issue is systemic authoritarian violence against Black Americans. It's completely easy to define and has been stated clearly and addressed at all levels of governments from municipalities to the U.S. Attorney General's office. Report after research study after investigation confirm its existence in gross order. It's only ignoramuses who toss about the memes cavalierly as you just have.

Love your "tap dance" metaphor, by the way. Perfect for an anti-Black issue rant.

Meanwhile, as the protest begins to grow among pro athletes, we'll see how little gets accomplished as the legions of beer-bellied, flag-waving, Trump-loving white football fanatics have apoplexy and aneurysms watching their teams' gladiators kneel at the anthems.

[04kL4nD]

Originally Posted by the happy guy

As you said, it doesn't fit their narrative.

Neither does the $1 million pledged by Kaepernick for charities in disadvantaged communities
Colin Kaepernick Pledges $1 Million To Underserved Communities | Huffington Post

I'll admit, I wasn't expecting the 49ers organization to follow his lead:
49ers to donate $1 million to find 'unifying solutions' to racial inequality - CBSSports.com

Of course it doesn't. Before, CK had a pretty bad reputation of being a taciturn 'thug' who wouldn't talk to the media and that he didn't care about anyone but himself and his Beats deal. People said he wasn't intelligent or articulate and that he had a bad attitude and was aloof. Now, people are changing their story and saying this is all calculated and that he loves attention and is only doing it to deflect from the real issues. As if he's some calculated mastermind that is trying to troll everyone. You can't have it both ways.

Still waiting on that response from the OP btw...

[Yeledaf]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Um no. Total BS. The issue is systemic authoritarian violence against Black Americans. It's completely easy to define and has been stated clearly and addressed at all levels of governments from municipalities to the U.S. Attorney General's office. Report after research study after investigation confirm its existence in gross order. It's only ignoramuses who toss about the memes cavalierly as you just have.

Love your "tap dance" metaphor, by the way. Perfect for an anti-Black issue rant.

Meanwhile, as the protest begins to grow among pro athletes, we'll see how little gets accomplished as the legions of beer-bellied, flag-waving, Trump-loving white football fanatics have apoplexy and aneurysms watching their teams' gladiators kneel at the anthems.

You seem to be having the apoplectic seizures here. Take a breath. Educate yourself:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race..._United_States

New DOJ Statistics on Race and Violent Crime | American Renaissance

https://infogr.am/Black-34991937313

Now tell us again about that systematic violence against black Americans. Concentrate on exactly who is committing said violence...

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Yeledaf

You seem to be having the apoplectic seizures here. Take a breath. Educate yourself:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race..._United_States

New DOJ Statistics on Race and Violent Crime | American Renaissance

https://infogr.am/Black-34991937313

Now tell us again about that systematic violence against black Americans. Concentrate on exactly who is committing said violence...

Save your argument for a thread on the topic of race on race crime. This is about systemic authoritarian abuse of power against Black Americans.

And when you find the right thread (and I do mean "Right") then go ahead and reveal your ideology by quoting your American Renaissance positions.

American Renaissance: Founded by Jared Taylor in 1990, the New Century Foundation is a self-styled think tank that promotes pseudo-scientific studies and research that purport to show the inferiority of blacks to whites. It is best known for its American Renaissance magazine and website.