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Old 06-26-2017, 01:30 AM
 
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I feel Oakland has a bad wrap. People associate it with cities like Detroit. But I drive around the East Bay sometimes and I must say that Oakland does have some really nice areas. Lake Merrit is really nice. The Oakland Hills have some of the best views, I must say, being the stairway guru that I am. I have visited stairways and paths in Rockridge, Merriewood, and even Montclair Village. The views and the neighborhoods are spectacular to say the least.

Too bad the city is about to lose 2 of it's long time sports teams. I hope that the A's stay and find a great place in Oakland.

My buddy did say though that Oakland has improved over the years.

But sometimes I go to Oakland and I think that it's such a great area with great potential. Not too far from Berkley either. I'm not sure why it can't be a world class city.
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Old 06-26-2017, 01:42 AM
 
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I feel Oakland has a bad wrap. People associate it with cities like Detroit. But I drive around the East Bay sometimes and I must say that Oakland does have some really nice areas. Lake Merrit is really nice. The Oakland Hills have some of the best views, I must say, being the stairway guru that I am. I have visited stairways and paths in Rockridge, Merriewood, and even Montclair Village. The views and the neighborhoods are spectacular to say the least.

Too bad the city is about to lose 2 of it's long time sports teams. I hope that the A's stay and find a great place in Oakland.

My buddy did say though that Oakland has improved over the years.

But sometimes I go to Oakland and I think that it's such a great area with great potential. Not too far from Berkley either. I'm not sure why it can't be a world class city.
The prices are world class.
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Old 06-26-2017, 01:44 AM
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I feel Oakland has a bad wrap. People associate it with cities like Detroit. But I drive around the East Bay sometimes and I must say that Oakland does have some really nice areas. Lake Merrit is really nice. The Oakland Hills have some of the best views, I must say, being the stairway guru that I am. I have visited stairways and paths in Rockridge, Merriewood, and even Montclair Village. The views and the neighborhoods are spectacular to say the least.

Too bad the city is about to lose 2 of it's long time sports teams. I hope that the A's stay and find a great place in Oakland.

My buddy did say though that Oakland has improved over the years.

But sometimes I go to Oakland and I think that it's such a great area with great potential. Not too far from Berkley either. I'm not sure why it can't be a world class city.
Oakland and Detroit are not similar at all.

90% of Detroit is a war zone, with very few whites living there.

Thr Oakland Hills have been white collar whites since the Second World War.

Uptown, Lake Merit are hardcore gentrified. North Oakland and West Oakland are gentrifying hardcore.

If you took out East Oakland, the city would be dramatically safer. But as east Oakland becomes more of a barrio, crime stats will go down. People in the barrio mostly work, instead of being entitled to a hand out for everything from bus fare to a monthly check.
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Old 06-26-2017, 01:47 AM
 
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Better leadership, more investment in physical infrastructure, and becoming hard-as$es about public safety are what Oakland has sorely needed for the last four decades or so, and continues to sorely need. For starters, more foresightful and less save-the-Earth-hippy-dippy-lah-dee-dah leadership might have been able to retain the Raiders (too late) and Warriors (they're moving soon) otherwise for the city, and wouldn't be at risk of losing the A's next for the city

And, I say this as someone who actually likes Oakland. Frankly, I also think that improving Oakland will necessitate some organically-developed...demographic shifts, like what has happened in cities such as SF, NYC, Atlanta, parts of Houston, and parts of L.A.
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Old 06-26-2017, 03:55 AM
 
Location: East Bay, CA
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I feel Oakland has a bad wrap. People associate it with cities like Detroit. But I drive around the East Bay sometimes and I must say that Oakland does have some really nice areas. Lake Merrit is really nice. The Oakland Hills have some of the best views, I must say, being the stairway guru that I am. I have visited stairways and paths in Rockridge, Merriewood, and even Montclair Village. The views and the neighborhoods are spectacular to say the least.

Too bad the city is about to lose 2 of it's long time sports teams. I hope that the A's stay and find a great place in Oakland.

My buddy did say though that Oakland has improved over the years.

But sometimes I go to Oakland and I think that it's such a great area with great potential. Not too far from Berkley either. I'm not sure why it can't be a world class city.
It continues to have a bad "wrap" because people who don't live there or spend much time there continue to be baffled at how nice it actually is and post about it on the internet when they see it for themselves.

Oakland doesn't have 'potential'- it's already arrived as a highly desirable place to live, work, and spend time in the Bay Area. This all happened at least 3-5 years ago, although the seeds were planted long before that. Yeah East Oakland is still a mess, but that's because there's no BART station or trendy strip of bars and restaurants- yet.

Oakland isn't a 'secret' or 'up and coming' anymore. If you don't believe me, just look at the rents and real estate prices in the trendy or desirable areas.

If you still don't believe me, go ahead and dig through my posts from 2010-2012 when I was living in West Oakland and watching my neighborhood gentrify right before my eyes.
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Old 06-26-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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was in Oakland Chinatown 2 weeks ago and saw an old Chinese lady get punched by a guy in broad daylight for no reason
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Old 06-26-2017, 02:28 PM
 
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Oakland and Detroit are not similar at all.

90% of Detroit is a war zone, with very few whites living there.

Thr Oakland Hills have been white collar whites since the Second World War.

Uptown, Lake Merit are hardcore gentrified. North Oakland and West Oakland are gentrifying hardcore.

If you took out East Oakland, the city would be dramatically safer. But as east Oakland becomes more of a barrio, crime stats will go down. People in the barrio mostly work, instead of being entitled to a hand out for everything from bus fare to a monthly check.
West Oakland is gentrifying, but it still looks like a dump to anyone who hasn't been there years before. It also seems like a ways off (i.e., at least 10 years) from changing significantly to becoming a desirable place to live. It needs to add a few thousand units of market rate housing and a lot of retail/commerce to change.
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Old 06-26-2017, 04:24 PM
 
Location: East Bay, CA
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was in Oakland Chinatown 2 weeks ago and saw an old Chinese lady get punched by a guy in broad daylight for no reason
Interesting story. I was in San Francisco the other day right and a crack head homeless lady offered sexual favors in exchange for drugs and the she exposed herself before running down the street. There goes the neighborhood!

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West Oakland is gentrifying, but it still looks like a dump to anyone who hasn't been there years before. It also seems like a ways off (i.e., at least 10 years) from changing significantly to becoming a desirable place to live. It needs to add a few thousand units of market rate housing and a lot of retail/commerce to change.
West Oakland is 1/5 of the city of Oakland, so blanket statements like these aren't super helpful (people forget that Jack London is the same zip code as some of the poorest parts of West Oakland). It's definitely a block by block basis, where some parts (particularly around the Market/Grand/San Pablo triangle) are hot beds for open air drug dealing and prostitution, while some parts of the Lower Bottoms these days have beautifully restored Edwardians and Victorians and looked horrible just a few years ago.

Gentrification actually takes some time, you know. There will be another Starbucks along shortly, so don't worry.
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Old 06-26-2017, 04:59 PM
 
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Interesting story. I was in San Francisco the other day right and a crack head homeless lady offered sexual favors in exchange for drugs and the she exposed herself before running down the street. There goes the neighborhood!

No one got hurt and you saw a naked lady. Sounds pretty great to me.
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Old 06-26-2017, 06:06 PM
 
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With all the "techies" looking for places to live, Oakland pretty much has to clean up and make room for these people. It will become yet another "hipster" city and the prices are already well on the rise for this. It has definitely come a long way

That being said, paying $3000 in Oakland for a place to live...Count me out.
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