Patriot march planned for GG park, should it be banned? (San Jose: neighborhoods, dangerous)

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by HockeyMac18

It's for the Presidio, not GG park. That's an important distinction because the Presidio is National Park land, controlled and managed by the federal government, NOT the city of SF.


If this MUST happen here (argh...must it??), maybe it can be delayed so that federal police forces can be brought in. That would be the best outcome here, I think.

The underlined makes perfect sense. The National Guard. And the police could be involved off park grounds, in City jurisdiction.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by phantompilot

You're worried about "white nationalists" looting and vandalizing your property? Why?

And this thread is about a patriot march, so why are you prattling on about "Aryans" and "White nationalists"? Are you just blindly adopting the media's stance of smearing all white demonstrators with these slurs and ascribing ideology to them when you have no information on which to base this?

This is a person who doesn't recognize code words. Like when Reagan harped on about "welfare queens".

Yeah, sure, we're all patriotic, aren't we? Let's just call it "Flag Day", and all get out there and wave our flags. That's what it's about, isn't it? Sweetness and innocent love of country.

[ScubaSteve87]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

They have a legal right to march. We cant allow our fears or dislike of their message to cause us to try and silence the voices of those we disagree with.

I wish people would stop marching against each other and instead sit down and talk to each other.

There has to be a balance. These demonstrations require a lot of resources (from local residents) to secure the safety of not only the outside agitators but the local residents. Obviously if they decided to "excercise their 1st amendment" everyday they'd bankrupt and paralyze the city.

I own a small townhouse I mostly AirBnB that's in the Haight very close to GG park. I don't want white supremacists coming and turning my area into a war zone nor do I want my tax dollars going to this event either. Do I have any say? Or is my safety (or the safety of my 'tenants') and tax dollars of no consequence? All I'm saying is we need to strike some balance.

[jade408]

Originally Posted by ScubaSteve87

There has to be a balance. These demonstrations require a lot of resources (from local residents) to secure the safety of not only the outside agitators but the local residents. Obviously if they decided to "excercise their 1st amendment" everyday they'd bankrupt and paralyze the city.

I own a small townhouse I mostly AirBnB that's in the Haight very close to GG park. I don't want white supremacists coming and turning my area into a war zone nor do I want my tax dollars going to this event either. Do I have any say? Or is my safety (or the safety of my 'tenants') and tax dollars of no consequence? All I'm saying is we need to strike some balance.

Hey I don't want my tax dollars going towards corporations offshoring jobs, tax breaks and increasing their profits while not paying their employees livable wages.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by ScubaSteve87

There has to be a balance. These demonstrations require a lot of resources (from local residents) to secure the safety of not only the outside agitators but the local residents. Obviously if they decided to "excercise their 1st amendment" everyday they'd bankrupt and paralyze the city.

I own a small townhouse I mostly AirBnB that's in the Haight very close to GG park. I don't want white supremacists coming and turning my area into a war zone nor do I want my tax dollars going to this event either. Do I have any say? Or is my safety (or the safety of my 'tenants') and tax dollars of no consequence? All I'm saying is we need to strike some balance.

Then amend the constitution. Otherwise jurisprudence stands and everyone has the right to march no matter how bad their ideas are. It is the backbone of our nation after all.

[WizardOfRadical]

Nothing wrong with being proud to be white.

Why does everyone get to be proud and have their own neighborhood, but white folks?????

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by jade408

No the the amount of people who believe in white supremacy is not tiny, nor is it insignificant and nor is it harmless. Most of the incidents of domestic terrorism have come from this movement.

https://www.axios.com/fbi-and-dhs-re...472924837.html
White extremist murders: Killed at least 60 in U.S. since 1995.
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/...w-enforcement/
White Supremacists More Dangerous To America Than Foreign Terrorists, Study Says | HuffPost
Homegrown Terrorism and Why the Threat of Right-Wing Extremism Is Rising in America

These people have been emboldened by Trump's presidency and refusal to denounce their behavior. There sentiments are reflected in broader American culture - directly and indirectly.

Absolutely right. Those who think this is a tiny fringe will be surprised. This is Trump's voter base, to a large extent.

In the same way that Bush II relied upon the Holy Roller constituency for votes (after "discovering" and energizing them during his father's electoral campaign), these are the people who crawled out of the woodwork to elect Trump. Granted, Trump didn't deliberately seek them out. And one could argue that not all of the participants in these events are "supremacists", but more along the lines of garden-variety racists who have been disgruntled with the "multicultural" part of the democratic processes at work over generations in US society, it still amounts to a highly emotional, inflammatory crowd.

[ScubaSteve87]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Then amend the constitution. Otherwise jurisprudence stands and everyone has the right to march no matter how bad their ideas are. It is the backbone of our nation after all.

So if they want to do these demonstrations everyday? They'd paralyze the city but we have to allow them? There has to be a limit, I don't pretend to be a legal scholar for the Constitution but it's time to find this limit.

[jambo101]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

I wish people would stop marching against each other and instead sit down and talk to each other.

We passed that point a long time ago, America is in decline,much violence in the future as more and more of these hate rallies dominate.

[ScubaSteve87]

Originally Posted by WizardOfRadical

Nothing wrong with being proud to be white.

Why does everyone get to be proud and have their own neighborhood, but white folks?????

Nothing is wrong with being proud of being White. I'm White.

These White Supremacists want to either ethnically cleanse our country of minorities or enslave them again. Do you listen to their rhetoric?