The San Francisco Trash/Needles/Poop in the Streets Containment Thread (professionals, pollution)

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

You just did. Along with TC and nowhereman.

Good catch. My mistake.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

Union rules have prevented innovative use of people who should work, i.e. prisoners or the chronically unemployed, or want to work, such as high school students after school. We do not maximize value to society by enforcing idleness to protect high-income jobs. See Now fix the welfare system:
See also Build a New Hudson River Tunnel - A Thread that Will Anger Left and Right:Janus should bring this gravy train to a screeching halt.

For other thoughts see my post in the Janus thread.

(Edited after Tulemutt pointed out my mistake. I switched the two post contents)

Fair enough. And the points are arguable with regard to attempts to start employment programs for the homeless who are capable and motivated to work.

However, it does not support the question of putting prison inmates to work - which venue is almost entirely constrained by requirements / costs of supervision and legal liabilities. Particularly true with regard to any incarceration of homeless, in that the homeless are highly likely to walk / run away from assignments given they have no easy address or network to use to track them down. Nor are they very concerned with sentence reductions. They simply have nothing to lose, except easy access to any addictions they may have.

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Fair enough. And the points are arguable with regard to attempts to start employment programs for the homeless who are capable and motivated to work.

Ditto high school students (including suspended ones) or recent college graduates on a part-time basis while they look for something permanent.[/quote]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

However, it does not support the question of putting prison inmates to work - which venue is almost entirely constrained by requirements / costs of supervision and legal liabilities.

There are plenty of non-violent inmates serving sentences of less than one year, which results in local, as opposed to isolated area incarcerations.

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Particularly true with regard to any incarceration of homeless, in that the homeless are highly likely to walk / run away from assignments given they have no easy address or network to use to track them down. Nor are they very concerned with sentence reductions. They simply have nothing to lose, except easy access to any addictions they may have.

They are concerned with loss of benefits. Benefits can be made conditional on compliance with work requirements.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

There are plenty of non-violent inmates serving sentences of less than one year, which results in local, as opposed to isolated area incarcerations.

They are concerned with loss of benefits. Benefits can be made conditional on compliance with work requirements.

The nature of their incarceration has nothing to do with legal liability. If an inmate is serving time for littering and walks away from supervised community work and rapes a child there will be a lawsuit in the millions. If an inmate walks away and causes an accident as s/he runs across the street there will be a major lawsuit.

The homeless don’t concern themselves with short term jail benefits at all. They’re prefectly happy for a free bunk and meal and methadone as long as they are confined ... and quite motivated to take a hike when no one is looking.

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

The nature of their incarceration has nothing to do with legal liability. If an inmate is serving time for littering and walks away from supervised community work and rapes a child there will be a lawsuit in the millions. If an inmate walks away and causes an accident as s/he runs across the street there will be a major lawsuit.

Remember "chain gangs"?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

Remember "chain gangs"?

Certainly. How much of that do you see in today’s world? There are work crews out there from prisons. 40% of CalFire firefighters in the forests are inmates on a program. I pointed out several differences: those inmate work programs first of all are very limited today for reasons I cited. Where they do exist, they exist where inmates are motivated to reduce sentencing and, as you pointed out, increase benefits in jail. There are also populated by inmates who are considered trustworthy to not walk off.

The type of chain gang you refer to is also gone due to the type of abuse no longer tolerated on prisoners.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

Remember "chain gangs"?

The cost of transporting and supervising jail or prison inmates makes it economically unfeasible. The exception is roadside cleanup performed by low risk jail inmates serving a very limited sentence. If you take that crew to an urban area with a large number of homeless there are not enough guards in the world to prevent some of them from accessing drugs, paraphernalia or other contraband. You also have to provide them with restroom facilities and meals while they are on their 'assignment'.

And citizens walking down the sidewalk are probably not going to feel real comfortable walking past a 'chain gang' a practice which almost all states have abandoned as an archaic, useless 19th century punishment.

[TCROX]

Where is all the water generated by the poop patrol going??
All the feces, hepatitis and other hazardous materials?
What about needles?
All into the bay?
Where is the Jerry brown water going?
This poop patrol is the very beginning of what the liberals agenda is really about- quality of life? No
Innocent people? No
The environment? No
Money and oppression? Obviously
They are showing everyone there is an endless stream of tax dollars to spend and this is a human and environmental disaster the liberals have created!
Where's the poop patrol water going?
What other expensive, useless billings are planned
If you can't take of yourself - and you are pooping in the street, you need to be in a facility
Where is the hazardous poop water and the associated trash going?
Liberals??

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by TCROX

Where is all the water generated by the poop patrol going??
All the feces, hepatitis and other hazardous materials?
What about needles?
All into the bay?
Where is the Jerry brown water going?
This poop patrol is the very beginning of what the liberals agenda is really about- quality of life? No
Innocent people? No
The environment? No
Money and oppression? Obviously
They are showing everyone there is an endless stream of tax dollars to spend and this is a human and environmental disaster the liberals have created!
Where's the poop patrol water going?
What other expensive, useless billings are planned
If you can't take of yourself - and you are pooping in the street, you need to be in a facility
Where is the hazardous poop water and the associated trash going?
Liberals??

Yeah, TC. No public health scientists, MD’s, epidemiologists would have been consulted ... and none would have thought of these issues if you, with your scientific erudition and generally brilliant analytics, hadn’t brought it up here on an anonymous internet forum to alert the public. No doubt the waste is being funneled directly into the very water fountains you and your Q’Anon brethren drink from at your rallies! Good reason to consume only with gin!

[TCROX]

Where's all the hazardous hepatitis poop water going libs?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfg...r-13161860.php
Where is your hazardous poop water going libs?
You don't know? Ahhh you don't care
Lots of money for studies and cleanup once the sea life die off begins