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Old 06-26-2018, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 °N, 🌄°W
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Originally Posted by Tulemutt View Post
Lol. Fine! Now you have to create the laws that will allow, and society (including you) pays for the resources. Simply chanting “Lock them up! Lock them up!” isn’t getting it done, huh ...
The laws are already in place they just need to be enforced.

Yes locking up habitual offenders is one way to keep them from their continued assaults on society. Just because they are homeless does not make them immune to the same laws that everyone else must abide by.
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Old 06-26-2018, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Nashville TN, Cincinnati, OH
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The problem is you cannot force someone to do something. You can't force them into a mental institution (even if that is what some of these people need) and you can't force them to leave the city.

Knowing that, and knowing how expensive housing here is (and how unlikely it is we will ever build enough housing for the homeless to live in permanent), you can see why this problem persists.

I honestly don't think there is a humane (and constitutional) realistic way to fix this problem. The only way to fix it would be to build free dedicated housing. And we all know that will never happen.
Well said from man.
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Old 06-26-2018, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Born in L.A. - NYC is Second Home - Rustbelt is Home Base
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It's really not a distorted view. SF has a huge homeless problem. It's in your face every single day because SF is only 46.87 mi².

SF Human Wasteland

Lower Manhattan is a fraction of your land mass and double the people, yet it is not as **** infested as San Fran. No, San Fran is a special mess.
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Old 06-26-2018, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 °N, 🌄°W
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The problem is you cannot force someone to do something. You can't force them into a mental institution (even if that is what some of these people need) and you can't force them to leave the city.
If a person is deemed mentally unstable to the point of being a danger to society yes you can force them to be locked up. Are you suggesting that we just let them roam around and hope they don't hurt anyone?

Listen to this deranged soul. Man Suspected of Threatening SF Shooting Rampage Says He Was Moments Away From Drawing His Guns

You don't think we as a society have a right to lock this person up? Prisons are not the right environment for mentally deranged people.
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Knowing that, and knowing how expensive housing here is (and how unlikely it is we will ever build enough housing for the homeless to live in permanent), you can see why this problem persists.
This is not why the problem exists. It exits because most turn their heads to it. It exits because people have made poor life decisions that they are not able to overcome. Some can't get off of drugs, some have jail or prison records that prevent them from gaining employment. There are many more reasons why this problem exists.
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I honestly don't think there is a humane (and constitutional) realistic way to fix this problem. The only way to fix it would be to build free dedicated housing. And we all know that will never happen.
Do you really think that providing free dedicated housing is really going to fix the homeless issue? What about the behavior issues? The drug addictions, the deranged minds like the link I posted. The sit on your ass all day and expect to be given a free ride in this lifetime mentality...you think all of these issues will simply fall away if these folks are provided free dedicated housing?
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Old 06-26-2018, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 °N, 🌄°W
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Lower Manhattan is a fraction of your land mass and double the people, yet it is not as **** infested as San Fran. No, San Fran is a special mess.
Yes and it's clear from a few poster here as to why it's a special mess. It takes a special mindset to create a special mess!
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Old 06-26-2018, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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The laws are already in place they just need to be enforced.

Yes locking up habitual offenders is one way to keep them from their continued assaults on society. Just because they are homeless does not make them immune to the same laws that everyone else must abide by.
lol lock up which "habitual offenders"? The ones who get tickets for pitching a tent or littering, you can't keep people in jail for long periods for minor offenses, habitual offender laws apply to felons. And it's interesting to note that Houston didn't arrest it's way out of the homeless problem, they did exactly what most people recommend:

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Over the past several years, Houston has moved 76 percent of the chronically homeless off the streets and into permanent housing. Fewer than 1 in 10 of these individuals has returned to the street. Moreover, more than 5,000 veterans have been moved from the streets into safe housing where they can also access medical and mental health services.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opi...s-11078300.php
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Old 06-26-2018, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Born in L.A. - NYC is Second Home - Rustbelt is Home Base
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The laws are already in place they just need to be enforced.

Yes locking up habitual offenders is one way to keep them from their continued assaults on society. Just because they are homeless does not make them immune to the same laws that everyone else must abide by.

You need to make homelessness a crime. Haul them in and export to a homeless camp. Set up a camp in Eureka or Vacaville. Nice relaxed living for the homeless.

Or get together with L.A. and ship all the homeless to 29 Palms in the desert. If 29 Palms has a fit, set them up with houses in Riverside. That is the cheapest method to fix the homeless problem.
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Old 06-26-2018, 06:09 PM
 
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You need to make homelessness a crime. Haul them in and export to a homeless camp. Set up a camp in Eureka or Vacaville. Nice relaxed living for the homeless.

Or get together with L.A. and ship all the homeless to 29 Palms in the desert. If 29 Palms has a fit, set them up with houses in Riverside. That is the cheapest method to fix the homeless problem.
Get back to me when being homeless becomes a criminal offense
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Old 06-26-2018, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 °N, 🌄°W
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lol lock up which "habitual offenders"? The ones who get tickets for pitching a tent or littering, you can't keep people in jail for long periods for minor offenses, habitual offender laws apply to felons.
No the one's who won't move from public property once they've been warned. The one's who steal and set up bike chops shops, the ones who deface public property and so on.

If a person goes to jail repeatedly for minor offenses this should lead to longer and longer jail sentences. Laws should be made to deter bad behavior not just slap you on the wrist repeatedly.
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And it's interesting to note that Houston didn't arrest it's way out of the homeless problem, they did exactly what most people recommend:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opi...s-11078300.php
Trust me if a person sets up a tent in Houston and the police show up and say move it and they don't...trust me they will be arrested.

Houston did it the smart way. They first tackled the homeless veterans. Next they moved on to the chronically homeless who were willing to do what it takes. They already deal with wondering crazies and drug addicts. Those folks get locked up instantly.
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Old 06-26-2018, 06:35 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA 94122
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Get back to me when being homeless becomes a criminal offense
It really should be. The public streets and sidewalks are for everyone to use, not for someone to grab a piece of it and call it their residence. SF may already have a vagrancy law? If not they certainly have the right to make a city ordinance prohibiting living in the public areas, require everyone who resides in the city to have a bonafide residence.
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