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Old 11-26-2019, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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One does not necessarily beget the other....
No...it could be that only the homeless problem is due to liberal policies. There are other successful cities that do not have homeless problems to this extent. Look some up....
Those other places, except of New York have a lower cost of living. Many of the people who are homeless in LA and SF used to be able to afford rent in those places. New York's constitution mandates that all people will be provided with shelter, hence only 5% of their homeles population is unsheltered. Reno is now experiencing a large increase in homelessness because of the double whammy of rents doubling while at the same time investors tearing down weekly and monthly motels that a few years ago rented for $100-$150 a week. Homelessness is increasing in Maricopa County AZ too, and for the same reason as everywhere else, rent is going up when salaries and pensions aren't increasing.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...es/3410072002/

I know it's fun to blame this on 'liberals' and talk about how conservative states never have these problems but simply don't have these problems, but the truth is that if liberal states had $200 a month single wides available they probably wouldn't have a homeless problem either
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Old 11-26-2019, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Why not listen to the video? The female asks: Why 153 blocks? How did you determine which blocks to walk?


Investigation reporter responds: They were looking of doing a big enough swab of the city that would be represented of the problem if there actually is one. We also wanted to pick an area that was close to a lot of different things: schools, police stations, major hotels, right next to Union square. SF is a small area…just 7 miles by 7 miles, thus for most residents is pretty tough to avoid crossing the same sections of town. Here in SF you are crossing the 7 miles by 7 miles pretty frequently.

The issue is not conflated. The issue is all over the city.
You know what is conflated? The idea that the entire City is like the tenderloin and it's not - and the idea that this is something new, as though it just started happening and that somehow it just has to be the fault of liberals. Well, my husband worked in the tenderloin in 1995 and had to pay homeless people to clean up feces left on the sidewalk by other homeless people, but guess who governor was at that time? None other than the Republican hero Pete Wilson. You'd think that this mess in California could have been cleaned up then with that kind of leadership in Sacramento, right?
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Old 11-26-2019, 10:28 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Just talked to an old friend and san Francisco resident says it’s not so bad but what is bad is bicycle safety the bike lanes don’t help
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Old 11-26-2019, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Wine Country, California
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Just talked to an old friend and san Francisco resident says it’s not so bad but what is bad is bicycle safety the bike lanes don’t help
Yes, those of us who commute by bike are still rightly concerned with safety issues in San Francisco. The bike lanes are working, however. Ones like the new lanes on Polk St., with its dedicated, timed bicycle traffic signals, marked and separated lanes, connectivity to major commute routes, etc. are working very well. Morning bicycle traffic outnumbers cars on my route through some of the densest areas of SF during rush hour. We still have to remain vigilant in our own safety concerns, but commuting by bike works very well as a safe and efficient way to get around SF, compared personal cars or public transportation.
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Old 11-27-2019, 12:33 AM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 °N, 🌄°W
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From the article:

"Two, sometimes three times a day, you can catch Hans Kolbe and Kirby, his poodle-terrier, strolling the sloping streets of Dolores Heights."

"But with dispiriting predictability, navigating the staircase means hop-scotching over piles and puddles of human and canine waste — the stairs have become an open-air latrine."

"When he’s not pressed for time, Kolbe tries to be diligent about snapping photos to report the messes to the city’s 311 customer service site. Cleaning crews have been fairly responsive, Kolbe said, but he’s baffled as to why the steps remain such a persistent problem."

"The frustrating thing is, this happens every day, twice a day. It’s not an unknown thing to the city,” Kolbe said."

“How in the hell can we make sure our city services cover these kind of predictable issues in a predictable manner? It’s not rocket science. The frustration level that people feel is just incredible.”

Such a waste of money and peoples time to keep cleaning this crap up over and over and over again.

These issues will never go away until SF enforces laws. When you have an uncivilized society the only way to change this behavior is to create laws and enforce them.

Such a shame to be paying taxes to the city of SF and still see these issues go ignored. It's clear that residents don't get much bang for their tax bucks in SF.

I have to laugh at the fools who think the only solution is to pay more taxes! LOL
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Old 11-27-2019, 12:34 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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From the article:

"Two, sometimes three times a day, you can catch Hans Kolbe and Kirby, his poodle-terrier, strolling the sloping streets of Dolores Heights."

"But with dispiriting predictability, navigating the staircase means hop-scotching over piles and puddles of human and canine waste — the stairs have become an open-air latrine."

"When he’s not pressed for time, Kolbe tries to be diligent about snapping photos to report the messes to the city’s 311 customer service site. Cleaning crews have been fairly responsive, Kolbe said, but he’s baffled as to why the steps remain such a persistent problem."

"The frustrating thing is, this happens every day, twice a day. It’s not an unknown thing to the city,” Kolbe said."

“How in the hell can we make sure our city services cover these kind of predictable issues in a predictable manner? It’s not rocket science. The frustration level that people feel is just incredible.”

Such a waste of money and peoples time to keep cleaning this crap up over and over and over.

These issues will never go away until SF enforces laws. When you have an uncivilized society the only way to change this behavior is to create laws and enforce them.
How are cops supposed to enforce the law against pooping in public? They would either have to observe it or pick up the poop and have a DNA test done on it and hope that the 'perpetrators' DNA was on file. Geezus, you should think before you say stuff like that. Not to mention, the worst that would happen would be that the culprit would be given a citation, a promise to appear like a traffic ticket, so you tell me,how does that solve homelessness?
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Old 11-27-2019, 12:38 AM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 °N, 🌄°W
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How are cops supposed to enforce the law against pooping in public? They would either have to observe it or pick up the poop and have a DNA test done on it and hope that the 'perpetrators' DNA was on file. Geezus, you should think before you say stuff like that. Not to mention, the worst that would happen would be that the culprit would be given a citation, a promise to appear like a traffic ticket, so you tell me,how does that solve homelessness?
Interesting that other cities in the US don't have this issue. Why do you suppose it's unique to SF?

Why are you moving the goal posts from poop to cops and tickets to solving the homeless?

Perhaps you should think before posting such nonsense.
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Old 11-27-2019, 12:42 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Interesting that other cities in the US don't have this issue. Why do you suppose it's unique to SF?
Not enough restrooms, it's been like that in SF for as long as I can remember. I was at the Ferry Building several months ago and the security guards were pulling homeless people out of the lines of people waiting to use the restroom and making them leave the building. If I were homeless and that happened to me I'd probably crap on the sidewalk too.
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Old 11-27-2019, 12:44 AM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 °N, 🌄°W
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Not enough restrooms, it's been like that in SF for as long as I can remember.
Hogwash!

There are plenty of public restrooms in SF. So you think other US cities that don't have this issue is because they have more public restrooms? You need a dose of reality!

Mayor London would also call you claims hogwash.

The Great San Francisco Poop Crisis officially entered a new stage on July 13, when, in one of her first interviews following her swearing in, Mayor London Breed observed, “I will say there is more feces on the sidewalks than I’ve ever seen growing up here.”

The Dirty Truth About San Francisco's Sidewalks
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Old 11-27-2019, 12:46 AM
 
Location: Wine Country, California
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From the article:

"Two, sometimes three times a day, you can catch Hans Kolbe and Kirby, his poodle-terrier, strolling the sloping streets of Dolores Heights."

"But with dispiriting predictability, navigating the staircase means hop-scotching over piles and puddles of human and canine waste — the stairs have become an open-air latrine."

"When he’s not pressed for time, Kolbe tries to be diligent about snapping photos to report the messes to the city’s 311 customer service site. Cleaning crews have been fairly responsive, Kolbe said, but he’s baffled as to why the steps remain such a persistent problem."

"The frustrating thing is, this happens every day, twice a day. It’s not an unknown thing to the city,” Kolbe said."

“How in the hell can we make sure our city services cover these kind of predictable issues in a predictable manner? It’s not rocket science. The frustration level that people feel is just incredible.”

Such a waste of money and peoples time to keep cleaning this crap up over and over and over again.

These issues will never go away until SF enforces laws. When you have an uncivilized society the only way to change this behavior is to create laws and enforce them.

Such a shame to be paying taxes to the city of SF and still see these issues go ignored. It's clear that residents don't get much bang for their tax bucks in SF.

I have to laugh at the fools who think the only solution is to pay more taxes! LOL
Okay, decent point and I don’t necessarily disagree. Forget fora moment the “gated” community example I put forward. What about the regular neighborhood in Sugar Land, TX, that experiences a rash of break-ins and decides to do a neighborhood-wide assessment to fund a private security patrol?

In effect, this too is a tax, even though it’s inaccurate to call it that (also the case in your use of the word in your example). How is this different, philosophically, as it relates to your assertion regarding law enforcement and voluntarily submitting to assessments for funds to provide services beyond those provided in our standard taxes?
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