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Old 12-03-2019, 03:12 PM
 
Location: US
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Union Square is the heart of the shopping district. That's like picking 5th Ave or Times Square. There are homeless in almost every district in San Francisco. This is why SF is a complete dump when it comes to trash and homeless issues. Locals put on blind folds.
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Old 12-03-2019, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Pac Heights San Francisco
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Union Square is the heart of the shopping district. That's like picking 5th Ave or Times Square. There are homeless in almost every district in San Francisco. This is why SF is a complete dump when it comes to trash and homeless issues. Locals put on blind folds.
You're right, of course, to note that Union Square is the heart of the shopping and tourism districts. That's the biggest issue facing it. Union Square itself is actually tidy--Maiden Lane, Grant Ave, Geary, Sutter, Stockton--at Market, things get dicey and as you travel east into the Tenderloin, it goes off the rails. Again, though, you're talking about the Tenderloin. It's sad and, I agree, shameful, that this district is right out on display in the area where every visitor to SF sees it, but it's still only about 2% of the City that keeps getting conflated to all of SF.

Locals recognize this problem and understand its severity. We're shocked and saddened by it. The true shame of this situation is that, we should be able to better deal with the problem BECAUSE it's so contained and centralized. That's what's so perplexing.

That said, I would maybe even grant you your statement "there are homeless in almost every district in San Francisco," as, like you, I have no actual data to support or refute that claim. But to suggest that there's a Tenderloin-like epidemic across vast areas outside the Tenderloin (or even on every block WITHIN the Tenderloin) is sensationalist and objectively false. Moreover, SF is generally portrayed this way dishonestly to further political agendas.

Please come to Pacific Heights, Laurel Heights, Lake Street, Russian Hill, Nob Hill, The Marina, Cow Hollow, Sea Cliff, The Presidio, Telegraph Hill, Inner and Outer Richmond, Inner and Outer Sunset, Hayes Valley, Forest Hill, Twin Peaks, Noe Valley and some more. This area spans more than half the total area of San Francisco, yet is, with very rare exceptions, quite clean and well kept. Other districts like Cole Valley, Delores Heights, Potrero Hill, Bernal Heights, Glen Park, etc. are way more good than bad (in fact, quite clean, with only isolated incidents similar to those found in every city in the country.

Several others--The Tenderloin, parts of SOMA, Mid Market and the Civic Center are accurately described as hell on earth. It's such a small sampling of SF, though, not the whole City. Visible, yes, and prominent, but very small.
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Old 12-03-2019, 09:00 PM
 
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How are cops supposed to enforce the law against pooping in public? They would either have to observe it or pick up the poop and have a DNA test done on it and hope that the 'perpetrators' DNA was on file. Geezus, you should think before you say stuff like that. Not to mention, the worst that would happen would be that the culprit would be given a citation, a promise to appear like a traffic ticket, so you tell me,how does that solve homelessness?
Not quite...

A Doctor I worked for was coming home from the Monterey Wine and Jazz festival… and had the overwhelming urge to relieve himself... his RN wife and another MD couple were in the car as they were heading back home.

He pulls over with flashers... well off the road and behind a tree starts urinating just as a police officer pulled up with spotlight... officer stopped to offer assistance to motorist...

Doc was ordered to stop but unable...

He was charged with indecent exposure... there would have been no exposure had the officer not illuminated the night and failing to obey a lawful order... stop urinating.

Doc hired a lawyer because the DA said indecent exposure could mean sex offender registry for a 60 year old Doc with nothing more than 1 speeding ticket in 30 years...

It was costly and the charge was reduced but he also had to pay a fine and do community service which meant commuting to pick up roadside trash on the same stretch of highway with the Judge found appropriate.

We have had discussions on this... how is it people dropped their pants and take a dump in full daylight public view in public on and near the Hospital and local Police do nothing... but Highway Patrol can make it a possible Sex Offender Registry case?

The Doc submitted medical expert testimony of weak bladder and prostrate issues... the court got a good laugh...

Doc passed the breathalyzer which registered but under the max... he had a glass of wine with dinner.
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Old 12-11-2019, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Beautiful free Arizona
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SF loses Oracle’s huge OpenWorld tech conference to Las Vegas

Another conference has left SF and 64 million bucks with it. No worries though the homeless are in a small confined area right Newsome???
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Old 12-11-2019, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Cole Valley, CA
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SF will never solve the homeless issue. Was in NYC recently and walked the entire time, I saw less homeless people during my entire trip than walking a couple blocks in Union Square... and none of the homeless I saw were crazy, hopped up on illegal substances... saw no poop on the street, no used needles... SF has absolutely zero pride in itself. They just allow anyone to literally "poop" on it.
Traveling outside of SF is one of the ways to really open one's eyes to how extraordinarily bad the situation is in SF. Those who live here and rarely leave tend to become accustomed to it. I just went on several long trips visiting Saint Petersburg, Moscow, Prague, Budapest and NYC and saw nothing even remotely close to what I would likely see in a single afternoon of similar activities in San Francisco. Absolutely no comparison at all.

As to the idea that keeps appearing in this thread that it is not all of San Francisco that is affected, but only the tenderloin, it is much closer to the former than the latter. Sure, the more remote residential areas are seldom affected, but most of the main shopping areas and areas with businesses are very strongly affected. not just the tenderloin, but the Haight, the Mission, all of SOMA, Dogpatch, etc.
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Old 12-11-2019, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Planet Earth
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FYI : It gets REALLY COLD in NYC. Thus, less homeless (they move to warmer climes if they aren't tethered, such as ... SF).
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Old 12-11-2019, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Traveling outside of SF is one of the ways to really open one's eyes to how extraordinarily bad the situation is in SF. Those who live here and rarely leave tend to become accustomed to it. I just went on several long trips visiting Saint Petersburg, Moscow, Prague, Budapest and NYC and saw nothing even remotely close to what I would likely see in a single afternoon of similar activities in San Francisco. Absolutely no comparison at all.

As to the idea that keeps appearing in this thread that it is not all of San Francisco that is affected, but only the tenderloin, it is much closer to the former than the latter. Sure, the more remote residential areas are seldom affected, but most of the main shopping areas and areas with businesses are very strongly affected. not just the tenderloin, but the Haight, the Mission, all of SOMA, Dogpatch, etc.
Oh please...
  • NYC- has a law that requires that they provide shelter for everyone in the City
  • Moscow & St. Petersburg -The state is obliged to give permanent shelter for free to anybody who needs better living conditions or has no permanent registration, because the right to shelter is still included in the constitution
  • Prague has 5,000 homeless and only enough shelter beds for 400, enterprenuers now offer "homeless tours" to curious tourists Prague Urban Jungle Tour | HOBOhemia
  • Budapest Viktor Orban criminalized homelessness but at the same time made 19,000 shelter beds available
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Old 12-11-2019, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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FYI : It gets REALLY COLD in NYC. Thus, less homeless (they move to warmer climes if they aren't tethered, such as ... SF).
Nope that's not accurate. By law they are provided with housing, only about 5% of NYC homeless are on the streets and that is because they refuse shelter. And they don't have "less homeless" they have 62k homeless it's just that they are sleeping in beds not on the street.
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Old 12-11-2019, 02:32 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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FYI : It gets REALLY COLD in NYC. Thus, less homeless (they move to warmer climes if they aren't tethered, such as ... SF).
Homeless are not generally very transient. Every study / survey on the topic concurs they are about 90% long-term residents of the locale where they have fallen into homelessness. For example: 65% of LA homeless resided there over 20 years. Another 15% 10-20 years. Another 10% 5-10 years.

If homeless moved for weather NYC wouldn’t have the largest homeless population in the nation. Examples of other high homeless populations in terrible weather locales include: Washington, DC (nation’s highest rate of homelessness); Boston; Phoenix; Chicago...
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Old 12-13-2019, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Cole Valley, CA
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Oh please...

????

You disagree that the streets of SF are full of trash and feces?
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