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Old 02-06-2020, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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LMAO.

Tokyo is one of the cleanest and modern major metropolitan areas globally. The exact opposite of the poop capital of America.
I didn't say otherwise, are you sure that you read the post I was responding to?
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Old 02-06-2020, 09:06 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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lol you guys are funny. Typical SF attitude that “ohh its like that everywhere some places even worse” that’s why SF continues to go down down down. Keep making excuses, it’s literally an embarrassment to one of the world’s most powerful and richest countries.
Not nearly as amusing as you not acknowledging the truth: that homelessness and crime are part of contemporary human urban existence the world over ... and that, in FACT, San Francisco isn’t the worst in those categories, despite the very high visibility in the inner city core. It’s not “an excuse” to establish perspective from which to measure pathways forward.

You, on the other hand, pollute these California threads with constant ridicule without purpose. Not a hint of erudition in the topics. Not a hint of information sharing with regard to useful ideas from programs elsewhere. No productive contributions whatsoever toward innovation or management. ... Just repetitive myth spinning and ridicule - from Florida.

Brilliant.
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Old 02-06-2020, 09:08 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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I didn't say otherwise, are you sure that you read the post I was responding to?
Right. But hey, any opportunity to cast a snark, eh?
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Old 02-06-2020, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Right. But hey, any opportunity to cast a snark, eh?
apparently...odd to see that stuff from a brand new poster huh?
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Old 02-06-2020, 09:44 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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Dear Mutt, once again, this is not about You or Me. Don't take it personal. Battle of ideas isn't a fist fight among neighbors over a dog barking at night.

My post was about the way liberals or conservatives deal with an issue, with a problem, with crime.


Sorry again for not able to provide solid numbers or statistics.

What comes now is nothing but anecdotal. Most of the time when I watch television here in the NorthState, and there will be a report, after a major violent crime has been committed, such as murder, or murder during a robbery, hijacking, home invasion, hit and run with dead people left behind, you name it.

What is fascinating is that maybe 60-70 % of the time the reports end with a sideline, such as: "we at ActionNews have learned that John Doe has been arrested previously 4-7-9 times last year, (or in the last 3 years) for various offenses, including driving under the influence, trespassing, theft, selling narcotics, spousal abuse, gun possession by a felon, breaking and entering," - and so forth.

In a deeply conservative state the offender would be locked up for a very long time after the 2nd or 3rd offense.

In a progressive, liberal state the offender gets locked up for a week or two, goes out on probation, goes back to jail, out on probation, until eventually he goes off the deep end, gets caught and sentenced for murder. The taxpayers cover the bill, 40-50 K per year in prison, for a long time.

Last week we had a law passed in California. In short, juvenile offenders can't be prosecuted as adults unless they are 20 years old or older.

What this means if John Doe, a week before his 20th birthday invades and kills 3-4 people living across the street to take their stash of weed and the little cash which always goes with the trade, then John Doe is sentenced to a juvenile facility until he turns 25 years old. At this point he gets to be free, or be on probation for a while.

Once again our state is making an effort to ease punishments on criminals. I realize this had zero, nothing to do with the post of the OP, and I do apologize for hijacking the thread.

When I worked in self storage I was attacked by a homeless man half my age and double my weight as he was trespassing at our private facility. Another tenant jumped in with a baseball bat and saved me. Stanton police came within 3 minutes, handcuffed the guy, and let him go later. Ten minutes later. I told the officers I want to press charges. One officer said, " we arrested this man 6 times this year and the court always lets him go the same day. Mr. mgforshort, you are wasting your time and ours. Good thing you were not seriously hurt."
Dear mg: what makes you think I take our conversation “personal”? You haven’t acted personal in any way and I have already acknowledged that I appreciate the exchange, with you, as it supports opportunity to clarify some mythologies on the topic. A couple other posters tossed personal snarks at me, but you haven’t ... so no, no problem. As for the other snarks: they don’t bother me either. Just garbage and so noted.

That said, your post (quoted) appears to be about conservative/liberal approaches to crime. Nothing overtly tied to the thread topic of homelessness. But the inference in the context of a series of posts we’ve exchanged in this homelessness thread is clear: homelessness (to you at least) equals crime.

In any case, in your continuing train of thought you continue to make declarations without supporting data / research / or even logically ordered presentation. Any structuring of your premises fails to qualify for drawing the conclusions you seem to want to be convincing. There’s nothing unique to homelessness, conservative states, or liberal states, about the crimes you use as examples. Nor how they are prosecuted. If you think otherwise: prove it.

Now, the point I think most important to highlight here is that you have included ‘rape’ and ‘murder’ in your conflations to homelessness. While rapes and murders have been committed by homeless persons, you appear to claim they have occurred in higher incidence by homeless persons - and in your small, rural communities north of the Bay Area. Yet you’ve provided zero examples, let alone any relative statistical comparisons.

There’s a really really significantly harmful problem with what you are doing. As I quoted earlier in our exchanges, false equations and myths feed the public misperceptions about homelessness and in turn feed violence against the homeless. It’s demonstrable. The awful statistics are there in my linked quotes: Assaults and setting homeless on fire ... and yes, hundreds of homeless murdered by non-homeless for no reason other than thrill killings sparked by mythologically based prejudice. California leads the nation in violence against the homeless.

You being “attacked” by a homeless person is, of course, unfortunate (though you haven’t defined what you mean by “attacked”). But your anecdotal experience is not unique to homelessness. People are attacked everyday everywhere: road rage, bar fights, school shootings, all manner of disputes erupt. Shopkeepers and McDonalds managers are assaulted by customers. People are murdered. Raped.

Now, if you were assaulted by a Chinese Jew, would you post forum thread comments about Chinese Jews being dangerous? Blacks? Hispanics? How about caucasians?

Statistically documented studies show that violent crime by homeless against non-homeless is lower incidence than the reverse.
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Old 02-06-2020, 10:41 AM
 
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Dear Mutt, once again, this is not about You or Me. Don't take it personal. Battle of ideas isn't a fist fight among neighbors over a dog barking at night.
My post was about the way liberals or conservatives deal with an issue, with a problem, with crime.
Sorry again for not able to provide solid numbers or statistics.
What comes now is nothing but anecdotal. Most of the time when I watch television here in the NorthState, and there will be a report, after a major violent crime has been committed, such as murder, or murder during a robbery, hijacking, home invasion, hit and run with dead people left behind, you name it.
What is fascinating is that maybe 60-70 % of the time the reports end with a sideline, such as: "we at ActionNews have learned that John Doe has been arrested previously 4-7-9 times last year, (or in the last 3 years) for various offenses, including driving under the influence, trespassing, theft, selling narcotics, spousal abuse, gun possession by a felon, breaking and entering," - and so forth.
In a deeply conservative state the offender would be locked up for a very long time after the 2nd or 3rd offense.
In a progressive, liberal state the offender gets locked up for a week or two, goes out on probation, goes back to jail, out on probation, until eventually he goes off the deep end, gets caught and sentenced for murder. The taxpayers cover the bill, 40-50 K per year in prison, for a long time.
Last week we had a law passed in California. In short, juvenile offenders can't be prosecuted as adults unless they are 20 years old or older.
What this means if John Doe, a week before his 20th birthday invades and kills 3-4 people living across the street to take their stash of weed and the little cash which always goes with the trade, then John Doe is sentenced to a juvenile facility until he turns 25 years old. At this point he gets to be free, or be on probation for a while.
Once again our state is making an effort to ease punishments on criminals. I realize this had zero, nothing to do with the post of the OP, and I do apologize for hijacking the thread.
When I worked in self storage I was attacked by a homeless man half my age and double my weight as he was trespassing at our private facility. Another tenant jumped in with a baseball bat and saved me. Stanton police came within 3 minutes, handcuffed the guy, and let him go later. Ten minutes later. I told the officers I want to press charges. One officer said, " we arrested this man 6 times this year and the court always lets him go the same day. Mr. mgforshort, you are wasting your time and ours. Good thing you were not seriously hurt."
You're mistaken.... California has very tough penalties for a number of the crimes you listed here and they impose long sentences for them. A second conviction for possession of a firearm by a felon is mandatory prison. Felony spousal abuse is very serious. You seem to think that prison is the solution to everything and rant on about how 'deeply conservative states' are sooo much tougher than California is.
So with that in mind, which of those 'tough on crime' conservative states will make you feel safe? Keep in mind that no one who ever was sent to prison came out a better person than when they went in. There are at least as many, if not more drugs in jails and prisons than on the streets. Prisons and jails provide occupational training to young offenders so that when they are released they might be doing home invasion robberies rather than breaking into cars. There is a place for prisons, but we should only put people there who we are afraid of, not people who we are mad at.
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Old 02-06-2020, 11:20 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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Facts. Stats. Research.

Taking the time to be accurate so that solutions can be appropriately crafted.

What a concept, eh?
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Old 02-07-2020, 03:36 PM
 
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The real estate prices and rents have gone up so high,I originally had to leave the whole state.First,I was forced out of the city,due to high rent,then I got forced out from rent in Concord California.Plus, all the GANGS CAME IN,AND GOT MUCH WORSE. They started to have Latino gangs that came over the borders, the formerly safe Concord..(A Hispanic person told me this, she later left the state too.)The welfare people gave illegal aliens as much help,money food, and their own clinics too.They got jobs from the welfare dept. that did not go to Non=illegal aliens!!Old people were so discriminated against, we all had to literally leave the state of California. It literally is being taken over by the ranks of Mexico and South America. --and those rich Hollywood people love illegal aliens.So we old people had to leave the state.Any one retired has to be rich to stay there.

OH HOW SAFE IS NORTHERN CALIFORNIA NOW?WOW. Places like the BART trains,in northern CA, are now so dangerous they have to have regular police on the trains everywhere.People ripped off my sisters' back pack,on the train,she is a senior,so she was "targeted".Sheesh those trains used to be safe!!Even in 2008 or 2009.Now my sister can barely take that train system, she gets physically attacked by out of control hostiles. I don't know how she even manages, a short old woman. 71 yrs old. Why does this area of the world now act like the worst areas of NYC?
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Old 02-08-2020, 08:32 AM
 
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The real estate prices and rents have gone up so high,I originally had to leave the whole state.First,I was forced out of the city,due to high rent,then I got forced out from rent in Concord California.Plus, all the GANGS CAME IN,AND GOT MUCH WORSE. They started to have Latino gangs that came over the borders, the formerly safe Concord..(A Hispanic person told me this, she later left the state too.)The welfare people gave illegal aliens as much help,money food, and their own clinics too.They got jobs from the welfare dept. that did not go to Non=illegal aliens!!Old people were so discriminated against, we all had to literally leave the state of California. It literally is being taken over by the ranks of Mexico and South America. --and those rich Hollywood people love illegal aliens.So we old people had to leave the state.Any one retired has to be rich to stay there.

OH HOW SAFE IS NORTHERN CALIFORNIA NOW?WOW. Places like the BART trains,in northern CA, are now so dangerous they have to have regular police on the trains everywhere.People ripped off my sisters' back pack,on the train,she is a senior,so she was "targeted".Sheesh those trains used to be safe!!Even in 2008 or 2009.Now my sister can barely take that train system, she gets physically attacked by out of control hostiles. I don't know how she even manages, a short old woman. 71 yrs old. Why does this area of the world now act like the worst areas of NYC?
Bay area is a cakewalk compared to eastern cities. Please don't speak.

And It's rich people forcing you out, not broke illegals.

Stop with this fake repub rhetoric.
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Old 02-08-2020, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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apparently...odd to see that stuff from a brand new poster huh?
Maybe that’s not really a brand new poster. There was one thread, now deleted, where the OP responded to himself as if he was talking to someone else. It was obvious he had multiple accounts and forgot to log out of the first one he used to start the thread.

Maybe this is someone else’s second account or someone who got banned and came back with a different screen name.
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