San Fran or L.A? (San Diego, San Francisco: place to live, store, Whole Foods)
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I'm just sayin' they each have drawbacks about a major factor in liking where you live. And contrary to what getshorty wrote, California doesn't have every kind of living there is...
SF has the dense big-city, exciting feel to it (and it's the only city in CA that does, really) but it's cold and windy virtually all the time. NY, OTOH, has 4 real seasons, like many big cities in the rest of the U.S. So, the sunny (warm) California weather is plentifully available all over the State, except SF. So we don't have the mix of great weather and city.
It's too bad they didn't put more effort into engineering (designing) LA--it could be so much better.
I do kinda of agree with that. Don't get me wrong though, i think CA is an awesome, diverse state with tons to do and see, but my "ideal" city would probably merge LA and SF. I mean i am planning on moving to SoCal myself, but i really love the city life feel and accessable public transportation of SF. If i could have the southern CA weather in SF, i would move there instead. But i like, atleast one warm season a year. I'm from Ohio so i can deal with cold but no summer would probably wear on me, i need sun and love being outside. So my outdoorsy side supercedes the other stuff i guess, even the public transportation, which is a huge plus of living in SF. So for me since cost of living is slightly cheaper and weather is better, i'm going to move to Southern CA.
Both cities are great. Both cities equally stand on their own. Both cities are fast paced. People have places to go, people to see, and things to do. That is the vibe in both SF and LA. People are also incredibly kind, open minded, laid back, and chill. That is also the vibe in both SF and LA. People can be nice and friendly without engaging in conversation with random strangers all the time. If you see someone, give them eye contact and say hi, without them responding back, it's o.k. Maybe the next person will engage with you, maybe not. Sooner or later, someone will. It appears that there is a need for some people to be affirmed every five seconds. I don't understand it, but I realize that the need exists.
I do not generalize and usually do give people the benefit of the doubt most of the time, but seriously if somebody just flat out ignored me and I KNEW thats what they were doing, i'd completely tell them off!!! That is one of the most utterly disrespectful things you can do to someone! I used to have an awful job of getting people to sign petitions. I can take rejection and still be friendly, but one time a girl completely flat out ignored me(and this was just while i was working) and i seriously don't know what kept me from telling her off, maybe cause it was my job....no probably not, i still would have if i went back in time. I still get mad about it when i think of it. I can't imagine that happening when i was just plain being friendly.
#1. I seriously doubt if that's the most disrespectful thing that you can do to someone. You can't think of anything more disrespectful than ignoring them? How about peeing on their shoe?
#2. It's not only not disrespectful, it's sometimes the only way to deal with people (although it soiunds way out of place in the OP's situation). In fact, Whole Foods in LA has signs posted that advise ignoring solicitors (just like you in your old job!) because the law doesn't allow Whole Foods to bar them from loitering in front of their property. There are other circumstances that might cause someone to ignore somebody else, too. I ignore people sometimes if I'm in a VERY bad mood. Not only do I not want to talk to them, but I also don't feel like talking, and I doubt if they want to listen to me tell them to leave me alone.
Get out of your P.C. mindset that chastises anybody who isn't shiny and happy.
WTF? Summer is not cold anywhere in the east bay, even right by the bay in places like Emeryville. It's not summery, but it's t-shirt weather most of the day, so definitely not wintery. Besides bay area summers are just delayed a few months--September/October are warmer than June/July.
It's true they are delayed, by about one month. The average high in Berkeley raises and plateaus in July and August, then peaks in September (city-data.com weather stats). But it's definitely not t-shirt weather all the time. I lived in Berkeley, and 1/3 of the days are foggy all day, and more so in winter. Ask anyone who lives there. They'll tell you "the summers can get foggy and cool". It's just common knowledge.
There are some nice days, but as you said, it's not "summery". And the nights are almost always cold. It's nice to go out in the evening in summer in the single shirt you wore during the day, but you can't do that in SF/Berkeley very often. Somebody wrote on the 13th that it's nice in SF. Yeah it was nice on the 13th, because there was a heat wave across California last week.
Right now (15 July, 6:15pm)...
Los Angeles - 82 F, wind 5 mpg
Santa Monica - 73 F, wind 7 mph
Berkeley - 64 F, wind 15 mph
SF - 60 F, wind 18 mph
(We're in a La Nina period, so things are slightly cooler than normal, too, apparently.)
I do kinda of agree with that. Don't get me wrong though, i think CA is an awesome, diverse state with tons to do and see, but my "ideal" city would probably merge LA and SF. I mean i am planning on moving to SoCal myself, but i really love the city life feel and accessable public transportation of SF. If i could have the southern CA weather in SF, i would move there instead. But i like, atleast one warm season a year. I'm from Ohio so i can deal with cold but no summer would probably wear on me, i need sun and love being outside. So my outdoorsy side supercedes the other stuff i guess, even the public transportation, which is a huge plus of living in SF. So for me since cost of living is slightly cheaper and weather is better, i'm going to move to Southern CA.
That's it, in a nutshell.
Going outside in SF/Berkeley? Better bring a jacket...all the time, even if it's sunny.
Examples: May 6th, 5:30pm, in Berkeley...people wearing coats and scarves. SCARVES !......IN MAY!
Like I said before ALL cities in California gets 4 seasons, just not EXTREME cold or heat. You still have temperature variations. Does it have to snow for it to be winter? I lived in San Jose (city of decent size) and I can assure you that we felt those variations
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No...OMG, can't you read? I said there's nowhere in California that has the COMBINATION of 4 seasons and an urban city feel. SF is the only real dense, urban city of decent size, and it's seasons are, essentially, Spring, Winter, Spring, Winter. I've lived in SF and in Berkeley, as well as the Sacramento Valley and in LA briefly. The summer is almost always foggy and cold in SF. August, September and part of October are the summery part (but still relatively cold), and the Fall is about 3 weeks long. And it's cold every night of the year except for about 10 or 15 days.
#1. I seriously doubt if that's the most disrespectful thing that you can do to someone. You can't think of anything more disrespectful than ignoring them? How about peeing on their shoe?
#2. It's not only not disrespectful, it's sometimes the only way to deal with people (although it soiunds way out of place in the OP's situation). In fact, Whole Foods in LA has signs posted that advise ignoring solicitors (just like you in your old job!) because the law doesn't allow Whole Foods to bar them from loitering in front of their property. There are other circumstances that might cause someone to ignore somebody else, too. I ignore people sometimes if I'm in a VERY bad mood. Not only do I not want to talk to them, but I also don't feel like talking, and I doubt if they want to listen to me tell them to leave me alone.
Get out of your P.C. mindset that chastises anybody who isn't shiny and happy.
LOL! If you are comfortable being an unhappy miserable person and get your kicks off of bringing everyone else down great, have fun in your lonely miserable world, but some of us can have bad days and bad moods and maybe even weeks or months or a year sometimes and yet still know how to be kind and care about the well being of other people. And JUST responding to someone is the LEAST a person can do, anything less is just lazy on top of everything else it is. I'm sorry that you didn't understand that and my point went over your head.
So please just quit making ignorant assumptions about who i am and what i'm saying because you got it all wrong! You would never say that to my face and if u tried, you'd make yourself end up looking really dumb! You can't even stand to say something nice on a message board when i was just empathizing with someone for being disrespected. I have a right to my feelings and you have a right to yours, but atleast if your going to judge me, judge me based on who i really am and not for what YOU assume i am!
1. I wasn't even offended at the first part of your message because i thought it was funny, because yeah your right, there IS much more disrespectful things someone can do than completely ignore you, it was a figure of speech obviously. But i do find that very disrespectful and yes i'd rather somebody to tell me to leave them alone or numerous other things than ignore me. I find THAT more considerate. Your whole foods store example doesn't even make sense in my situation. Because if there is a sign that says no soliciting then we weren't allowed to be there! There was no signs that said "ignore the soliciters".
Please don't get defensive towards me because your a rude and inconsiderate person. If you think u have a good excuse to do that to someone then just reconize thats who you are, a rude, inconsiderate person. If the shoe fits....own it. Plenty of people are like that and plenty people are worse, it's life, accept who u are and don't try to defend your selfish personality. I'm not that way, so i'd be offended if someone accused me of it. I have my own negative traits and i know what they are, and the difference between you and me is, i wouldn't get defensive if someone pointed it out.
I have dealt with enough tragedy and pain in my life to have something to be angry and upset about and i could everyday if i wanted to. I deal with stuff as it comes, mourn and let it go( the best i can anyway). And i DONT always feel like being happy go lucky and i'm not. I'm not a fake person, i'm just nice.(well not to everyone obviously) and i don't take my problems out on the wrong people. Ignoring someone and not feeling bubbly or friendly is different. When you are a thoughtful person, you do things like that EVEN when u don't feel like it.
2. I DONT CHASTISE people who are not "shiny and happy" because i'd be chastising myself and most people i know and love then. I wouldn't do that! And i don't even know what "P.C." means btw. Only fake or repressed human beings can be shiny and happy all the time. I don't have to be happy to be nice or cordial. BUT i DO value people and love and being kind and caring. I'm a realist while able to be caring at the same time. It can be done for some of us. Maybe not for you, but i'm just explaining how it works for us. Sorry if you still don't understand that, i tried explaining it, despite my very rude and condescending way of doing it. If you don't get it yet, then we'll just agree to disagree.
My heart is open to most but my biggest weakness is being NICE to people who i feel disrespected by. I haven't mastered turning the other cheek in all situations. If i was being fake and happy and shiny, then i wouldn't of even responded to your, completely errored, waste of a post.....the shoe fits, so i wear it, and know it. So maybe i'm not being any better right now, but whatever, u still need to know your being a jerk(had to keep it clean), if u don't already know. And you don't got me figured out by a few lines i wrote in a post, that you got all misconstrued!
Some of you will think I'm off my rocker but I think the best weather all-around is the central San Joaquin Valley. Yes, it's hotter than hell there in summer. And it's blinding fog is infamous. Winters can be cold but the season is short and transforms into the greatest springs in the state. Same with fall. But there is no mecca like SF or LA, but it's close enough proximity to many things (coast, SF, Yosemite, even to Reno). Still, I plan to retire to somewhere in The Valley when the time comes because that's how important climate is to me. I love SF immensely but it's just too cold for me.
Obviously, posting a question comparing LA and SF in the SF forum is going to garner the sort of responses one might get if one tossed chum into shark-filled waters. San Franciscans are an odd lot to some degree, on the one hand extremely prideful of their town and simultaneously defensive towards their larger neighbours to the south, almost to the point that one thinks of their pride more as a sort of bravado.
Both cities have their pluses and minuses. SF has a much more "urban" feel to it - dense housing, more traditional architecture. It feels more like an older East Coast or European city. The public transit is much better in SF (really, no comparison). It has a much more intellectual feel, whether that is real or again, just posturing. I think the people are much more authentically involved in politics and civic life. Some would see that as a positive, some as a negative. San Franciscans are far more "busy body" than their LA cousins, and unafraid to lecture/scold total strangers for what may amount to imagined offences.
Air quality (as others point out) is better in SF, mainly because of its geography - SF sits at the tip of a peninsula, so all of their pollution blows into the Napa, Livermore, or Santa Clara valleys depending on the wind patterns. LA's infamous smog is trapped. The idea that SF is a "green" city because of its apparent low air pollution is mostly the result of geography rather than any conscious things Bay area denizens do (compare the ratio of automobiles to people in LA and SF county if you doubt this).
In my opinion, both are great cities. It truly depends on what your criteria are.
As an aside, I have lived in both NoCal and SoCal, so I honestly believe that I am reasonably objective.
I do not generalize and usually do give people the benefit of the doubt most of the time, but seriously if somebody just flat out ignored me and I KNEW thats what they were doing, i'd completely tell them off!!! That is one of the most utterly disrespectful things you can do to someone! I used to have an awful job of getting people to sign petitions. I can take rejection and still be friendly, but one time a girl completely flat out ignored me(and this was just while i was working) and i seriously don't know what kept me from telling her off, maybe cause it was my job....no probably not, i still would have if i went back in time. I still get mad about it when i think of it. I can't imagine that happening when i was just plain being friendly. People need to know they are being completely disrespectful and it's NOT acceptable. I'm not saying to get in a fight or make a huge deal of every slight, but that is competely disrespectful! That guy obviously felt superior to you and who is he to feel superior??? Sorry but that just infuriates me!! People who are that arrogant aren't only extremely rude, but they are just plain ignorant and delusional as well for thinking they ARE better than anyone.......sorry for my rant. Ok i'm done.
If I created a scene everytime someone totally ignored me here in SF I would honestly get nothing accomplished though out the day. It happens so often. Actually, I do not think they think they are superior I actually think they have low self esteem and are suffering from some personal issues. People who try to appear superior or create a facade are usually quite small inside. Anyway, how could he think he was superior? I have a stronger body, obviously stronger cyclist (I passed him easily), even had a far better bike (hand made). I didn't even care that he passed me initially but when he has some stupid attitude I had to humble him.
There are plenty of people like him here in SF. Believe me. I was riding one time and a couple passed me on their bikes. They then caught up with this lady who was a little overweight. The man cut her off and almost forced her into a parked car. The lady responded by saying be careful. Then the guy started yelling at her teller her she shouldn't even be on a bike because she was so fat and didn't know what she was doing. So I sped up, caught the overweight lady and apologized for a fellow cyclists behavior and told her real cyclist are not a_holes. Then I began my business and caught the couple, gave them the dirtiest look possible and kicked their butts going up the hill. When I meet other cyclist with attitudes that ignore me when I say hello or good day I humble them so badly they have got to wonder about themselves. The cool cyclist I chill out with and talk with them. Anyway, I could hear them as they passed saying I was trying to prove a point. Well, yeh. That they were not as great as they thought they were. Actually they were quite sorry.
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