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StrugglingMusician91 · 01-09-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Taboo2

A bunch of people who can't control themselves because they are upset is hardly a selling point, and business in Oakland may suffer in this already fragile economy.

I didn't say it was a selling point, but I do think alot of people in America feel sympathy for the people of Oakland who have to deal with things like this often. Now i'm not saying that all these people are gonna rush to move to Oakland, but it sure will open peoples eyes and hopefully those of the city officials. I do agree that violent protests are like I said completely a stage to perform ignorant acts on, but it does get a message across in America. However rediculous it sounds and is, in America it works.

sonarrat · 01-09-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultrarunner

The video and news reports show he was handcuffed After being shot...

No excuses, just trying to keep on track...

Oakland is again in the International News... and again, Oakland IS a victim...

No Oakland Police, Citizens, Government Officials were involved with the shooting... yet we continue to pay the price...

I'll be honest here.. I haven't heard anyone outside this board bring up the fact that it was in Oakland, let alone elaborate on whether that did or did not have anything to do with the shooting. All they care about is that it was a young man who was killed in cold blood. There's a certain subset of Oaklanders that just likes to destroy things I guess.

Ultrarunner · 01-09-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sonarrat

I'll be honest here.. I haven't heard anyone outside this board bring up the fact that it was in Oakland, let alone elaborate on whether that did or did not have anything to do with the shooting. All they care about is that it was a young man who was killed in cold blood. There's a certain subset of Oaklanders that just likes to destroy things I guess.

A colleague e-mailed me from Germany to see if I was OK...

He saw video footage of Oakland burning and Riot Police "Shooting" at protesters. The German news said Police shot a man in the back early New Years morning and the protesters marched on City Hall.

Taboo2 · 01-09-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by StrugglingMusician91

I didn't say it was a selling point, but I do think alot of people in America feel sympathy for the people of Oakland who have to deal with things like this often. Now i'm not saying that all these people are gonna rush to move to Oakland, but it sure will open peoples eyes and hopefully those of the city officials. I do agree that violent protests are like I said completely a stage to perform ignorant acts on, but it does get a message across in America. However rediculous it sounds and is, in America it works.

I think most people in america have sympathy for Oaklanders because of the aggressive crime element the regular citizen are forced to deal with.
Maybe because we deal with an understaffed and undertrained police department, but they certainly don't feel badly for the rioters.

I feel bad for Detroit cops, but not Detroit Gangbangers.
Oakland garners the same type of sympathy. The poor regular people trying to eek out a living with the nasties rioters attacking their own neighbors and the police trying to minimize casualties.

Until i hear all the evidence, which means frame by frame analysis and sound quality as well as testimony under oath and everything I will not pass judgement on the cop. I can wait.

Taboo2 · 01-09-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sonarrat

I'll be honest here.. I haven't heard anyone outside this board bring up the fact that it was in Oakland, let alone elaborate on whether that did or did not have anything to do with the shooting. All they care about is that it was a young man who was killed in cold blood. There's a certain subset of Oaklanders that just likes to destroy things I guess.

The city it happened in didn't matter.

It was on the Dublin/PLeasanton--> SF line so Oakland was merely a pittstop.

This guy didn't live in Oakland and i have no idea where he was partying the night before.

Oakland is really a footnote in the death. Yet the protesters and rioters took it upon themselves to make this an Oakland issue when it is not.

Chicagoaklandish · 01-09-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by xavierob82

If Oscar Grant wasn't resisting arrest, perhaps he wouldn't have put the officer's nerves on edge. Moral of the story: don't resist law enforecement officers and do exactly what they say. Besides, wasn't Mr. Grant fighting on the subway with his "homies"?

Moral of the story #2: don't be a violent douchebag.

I feel immense sorrow for the officer and his family. I can't imagine what they're going through.

Have you seen the video? I am trying really hard to uphold the "no personal attacks" rule here but you're not making it easy. The cop is a murderer. Manslaughterer (is that a word?) at best.

People like you make me almost as mad as the murderous, racist cops who perpetrate these atrocities on a regular basis. I feel immense sorrow for Oscar Grant and his family.

Chicagoaklandish · 01-09-2009, 04:58 PM

Also, the murderer's most recently listed address shows him as residing in Napa, which is ridiculous in itself. Don't you have to live within the jurisdiction that you work in if you're a cop? No BART trains operate anywhere near Napa.

Chicagoaklandish · 01-09-2009, 05:02 PM

Sorry to keep adding posts-

But one of the things that makes it even more absurd is the police's claim that BART cameras happened to be off that day. No explanation as to why. Two cell phone videos were confiscated before one was releaed. Some are claiming the cop mistook the gun for a Taser. So Oscar Grant is dead because a trained, taxpayer-funded officer of the law doesn't know the difference between a gun and a taser? I don't condone the random smashing and burning, but this cop needs to do serious jail time, and so do the people who tried to cover it up.

Taboo2 · 01-09-2009, 05:14 PM

No, he wasn't an elected official. He could live anwhere he wanted to commute from. Teachers do not live in the towns they teach at much of the time.

It's not ridiculous. I's a JOB. Do YOU live in the city you work at? Would you want to have to reapply for a new job everytime you moved to another city?

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Also, the murderer's most recently listed address shows him as residing in Napa, which is ridiculous in itself. Don't you have to live within the jurisdiction that you work in if you're a cop? No BART trains operate anywhere near Napa.

majoun · 01-09-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicagoaklandish

Also, the murderer's most recently listed address shows him as residing in Napa, which is ridiculous in itself. Don't you have to live within the jurisdiction that you work in if you're a cop? No BART trains operate anywhere near Napa.

In Chicago you do (which is one of the many reasons why Chicago never degenerated to the level of Detroit or Cleveland), but in California you don't have to live in the city or jurisdiction to be a cop there because of a law that the ACLU pushed through the legislature in the late '70s. I suppose if CA didnt have that law the Marin County and San Mateo County Sheriffs or other departments in Marin and San Mateo might have problems with hiring officers.
Even the SFPD would be impacted.