Why Does San Francisco Hate The Military? (Oakland, Hayward: crimes, public school)
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You should put on a military uniform and walk the streets.
That's neither here nor there and has nothing to do with the post or his reply. Military can be disrespected in any number of cities and certainly used to be moreso (i.e. vietnam) so that has little to nothing to do with San Francisco and nothing at all to do with spreading false information.
JROTC was phased out in 2006. The board is willing to bring it back and they have the votes to do so, and it's on the agenda for a later meeting.
What this article said is that school board voted to tell the state legislature to stay out of school board business.
Which they have every right to do, since the school district is NOT under the state care...
San Francisco doesn't HATE the military. Up until Clinton and the massive base closings, SF and the Bay Area has had a major miitary presence. San Francisco history and military history are very intertwined. We have a the Presidio -- used to be Army, I believe and Yerba Buena Island, Navy I think -- and I could go on and on.
We still celebrate Fleet Week and still have lots of times when we have the Blue Angel flyovers -- so don't hand me we hate the military crap.
I don't think you even read the article, or you just have poor reading comprehension
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The San Francisco school board voted 6-1 Tuesday to oppose a state legislative measure that would require the district to continue offering the Junior Reserve Officers Training Corps at its high schools.
My only mistake was saying a 7 to 1 vote. Everything else was pretty much right. That is, they voted against a state measure that would restore ROTC (to publicly funded schools) to its rightful place. The San Francisco school board struck down the program in 2006 Assemblywoman Fiona Ma created a measure to restore it. Those are the facts.
The article, at no time, made a mention about being "willing to bring it back and they have the votes to do so" at all so I don't know where that came from. Its coming up for vote, but I don't think they have any intention of "bringing it back".
That's neither here nor there and has nothing to do with the post or his reply. Military can be disrespected in any number of cities and certainly used to be moreso (i.e. vietnam) so that has little to nothing to do with San Francisco and nothing at all to do with spreading false information.
Dream on!
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Originally Posted by fizbin
Nice non-sequitur . . .
It most certainly does follow.
You are both now free to return to your delusions.
You are both now free to return to your delusions.
Curmudgeon, were you ever disrespected while in uniform?
What I don't understand is why a Democratic Assembly would tell San Francisco to return ROTC? Who cares? I suspect the program will be phased back anyway state-wide due to budget concerns. I'm not sure encouraging young people to consider the military is wise under a Republican president & probably why San Francisco & other California cities cut it out of the curriculum. President Obama's idea of national service [helping the poor\ working with kids, etc.] sounds like a better approach than ROTC.
I don't think you even read the article, or you just have poor reading comprehension
My only mistake was saying a 7 to 1 vote. Everything else was pretty much right. That is, they voted against a state measure that would restore ROTC (to publicly funded schools) to its rightful place. The San Francisco school board struck down the program in 2006 Assemblywoman Fiona Ma created a measure to restore it. Those are the facts.
The article, at no time, made a mention about being "willing to bring it back and they have the votes to do so" at all so I don't know where that came from. Its coming up for vote, but I don't think they have any intention of "bringing it back".
Get your facts straight.
No, I'm sorry but you are wrong. What the article actually said was this:
"Four of the seven school board members support the JROTC program, but nonetheless voted against the state bill, saying that they believe it should be up to locally elected officials to decide the issue and that the Legislature should stay out of it."
and
"Board members are expected to vote next month on a pending resolution to restore JROTC."
If matters on the board are decided by a simple majority vote than they do have enough support to restore JROTC (4 of the 7 support it) and it appears they are well on the way to doing so (pending resolution to restore JROTC). Furthermore the state bill was created because San Francisco voters passed Proposition V in support of retaining JROTC, which clearly indicates that the majority of San Franciscans see the value of the program (and by extention, of the military).
So perhaps YOU should re-read the article and this time include the big words. And stop fearmongering fergodssake.
Have you never been outside of the city? My step-dad fought in Vietnam and was called 'baby-killer' more often than he can remember in the state of Ohio. My friend Tim fought in Iraq and sometimes he gets stares but he tells of stories about his travels elsewhere where he gets hollered at. I fail to see how your comments are pertaining to SF. Could you give us some examples which are wholly unique to SF? Or any examples would be nice. I know there are some and I would be interested in learning about your experience - I just don't know that it's unique to SF (it's not.) My only experience has been seeing a few military men walking down to the city without incident. Saturday night I hung out in the Tenderloin and saw two guys in fatigues appearing to have a good time and I didn't see anyone pay any mention. This obviously means nothing - I'm sure some get some hollers and whatnot, but anyway, you're on an SF forum - so it should sort of pertain to the thread I would think.
Have you never been outside of the city? My step-dad fought in Vietnam and was called 'baby-killer' more often than he can remember in the state of Ohio. My friend Tim fought in Iraq and sometimes he gets stares but he tells of stories about his travels elsewhere where he gets hollered at. I fail to see how your comments are pertaining to SF. Could you give us some examples which are wholly unique to SF? Or any examples would be nice. I know there are some and I would be interested in learning about your experience - I just don't know that it's unique to SF (it's not.) My only experience has been seeing a few military men walking down to the city without incident. Saturday night I hung out in the Tenderloin and saw two guys in fatigues appearing to have a good time and I didn't see anyone pay any mention. This obviously means nothing - I'm sure some get some hollers and whatnot, but anyway, you're on an SF forum - so it should sort of pertain to the thread I would think.
I've always lived outside of the city -- Southern California, Central California, Sacramento, seven other states and several other countries. Your stepfather and I could have been comrades in arms at some point. The exdperiences I had were not unique to SF. Most happened elsewhere to include being called "baby killer" in Newport Beach. However, during that same time I was treated to confrontations and ugly looks in SF while travelling on military orders and in uniform as was required in the 60s and 70s.
This crap with the school board turns back the clock 40 years. If it makes you feel any better, Bezerkeley is even worse!
Curmudgeon, were you ever disrespected while in uniform?
What I don't understand is why a Democratic Assembly would tell San Francisco to return ROTC? Who cares? I suspect the program will be phased back anyway state-wide due to budget concerns. I'm not sure encouraging young people to consider the military is wise under a Republican president & probably why San Francisco & other California cities cut it out of the curriculum. President Obama's idea of national service [helping the poor\ working with kids, etc.] sounds like a better approach than ROTC.
Make no mistake, both ROTC and Obama's idea of national service are key to this country's success. We lose much of our superpower standing if we don't have a strong military in place to fight for our freedoms if the need arises. We also need people on the streets here volunteering to bolster national unity and to show that we care about the less fortunate in our society.
I also do not understand why you mentioned a Republican president. Was this story that old? The Democrats control the Presidency and Congress, I'm sure you know that though. Was it an attempt to bash a Republican randomly?
Make no mistake, both ROTC and Obama's idea of national service are key to this country's success. We lose much of our superpower standing if we don't have a strong military in place to fight for our freedoms if the need arises. We also need people on the streets here volunteering to bolster national unity and to show that we care about the less fortunate in our society.
I also do not understand why you mentioned a Republican president. Was this story that old? The Democrats control the Presidency and Congress, I'm sure you know that though. Was it an attempt to bash a Republican randomly?
The Republican president was mentioned because the city of San Francisco first banned the JROTC from public schools in 2006.
While I agree with you that national service of some type is a very good idea, I think its time for our so-called superpower status to go. The idea of a superpower is a Cold War leftover and creates nothing but hard feelings worldwide.
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