Where can a liberal conservative live in SF? (living, versus)
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I'm a conservative... not a social conservative mind you, but a fiscal conservative. Like it or not, SF has the reputation of being a city that is only tolerant towards fellow democrats. Recent proof would be a poster I saw here who said (paraphrasing) "San Francisco is proud to say that we did not bring you George W. Bush". I bet there's a few McCain voters hiding in SF, proud of their vote, but not brave enough to share who they voted for with their tolerant neighbor.
I think that's sad, because in my opinion if you get an idealistic conservative and an idealistic liberal together in the same room, and permit them to have an honest dialog, you have the makings of a fascinating and enriching discussion that could benefit all involved, no matter what side of the fence they are on.
I'm a conservative... not a social conservative mind you, but a fiscal conservative. Like it or not, SF has the reputation of being a city that is only tolerant towards fellow democrats. Recent proof would be a poster I saw here who said (paraphrasing) "San Francisco is proud to say that we did not bring you George W. Bush". I bet there's a few McCain voters hiding in SF, proud of their vote, but not brave enough to share who they voted for with their tolerant neighbor.
I think that's sad, because in my opinion if you get an idealistic conservative and an idealistic liberal together in the same room, and permit them to have an honest dialog, you have the makings of a fascinating and enriching discussion that could benefit all involved, no matter what side of the fence they are on.
I think many in California view anyone who would vote for Bush as not just politically different but morally apart. That's where the issue of behavior comes in. Anti-social characteristics like shunning community responsibilities to the environment [even redacting scientific data] in favor of corporate wealth. Only when Bush left office did he acknowledge global warming. It's not so much admitting one is Republican in a highly Democratic city but rather an issue of personal character.
Many mainstream scientists disagree with global warming. So Bush questioning global warming puts him in the same boat as many mainstream scientists. I personally think it's a political football. If the world gets colder in a couple years the same anti-capitalist environmentalists will complain of global cooling. The idea that you could have a different belief about global warming, and that somehow this makes you a person with questionable morals, is a sad commentary on the state of political discourse today.
But...any republican who is president would be painted with that brush of intolerant bigot, anti-environment, anti teacher or anti common man by the mainstream press or the average liberal voter (the establishment). That's how you demonize conservatives these days.
That is the problem. People can't simply disagree with their neighbor but at the end of the day, respect them as people anymore. It's sad. I voted for McCain. But I like Obama as a person, I think he has POTENTIAL to be a great leader, but his policies are so different than my own beliefs. Naturally, there would be some friction there. But I don't question his morals. I don't question if he is a good man or not. I just acknowledge that I see things differently.
When I was in SF I couldn't help but bring this up, because I wanted to see if the stereotypes are true. That the most tolerant city in the Nation is actually selectively tolerant. I was pleasantly surprised that many hardcore liberals actually saw things my way. So my own prejudices about the City may be inaccurate.
Which makes me conclude that the polarization is not from the average voter themselves who has the common sense to still be civil and understanding towards someone who may have different beliefs. The problem is the media and the politicians themselves who like to pit us against each other as if we were all binary, on/off/one/zero/yes no. It's not that simple.
Many mainstream scientists disagree with global warming. So Bush questioning global warming puts him in the same boat as many mainstream scientists. I personally think it's a political football. If the world gets colder in a couple years the same anti-capitalist environmentalists will complain of global cooling.
But...any republican who is president would be painted with that brush of intolerant bigot, anti-environment, anti teacher or anti common man by the mainstream press or the average liberal voter. That's how you demonize conservatives these days.
That is the problem. People can't simply disagree with their neighbor but at the end of the day, respect them as people anymore. It's sad. I voted for McCain. But I like Obama as a person, I think he has POTENTIAL to be a great leader, but his policies are so different than my own beliefs. Naturally, there would be some friction there. But I don't question his morals. I don't question if he is a good man or not. I just acknowledge that I see things differently.
You just exhibited the very reason why a Republican would be miserable in San Francisco. To utter such nonsense would be to doom any chance of ever having a friend or job
You just exhibited the very reason why a Republican would be miserable in San Francisco. To utter such nonsense would be to doom any chance of ever having a friend or job
I actually loved the City. I'm not one of these people who is afraid to speak their minds. To me it's not nonsense,so I see no reason to hold back. I probably share that with many of the activists in SF. And most of my friends are liberals anyway. I'm the only person I know of within my social group that votes republican. Somehow, we manage to stay friends. I feel sorry for you that you have not experienced diversity among your own friends.
And as you know, discrimination is illegal.
Again, I had similar discussions with some people in SF who probably uniformly voted for Obama, but were willing to look past their own preconceptions. Very edifying nonsense we discussed. It reinforced my view that most people are libertarian at heart.
There's a crazy thing that happens when you get a bunch of good hearted, intelligent people in the same room: they seek ways to find common ground, even in spite of themselves. They can't help it.
Maybe one day you will grow inside, and become one of those people.
Go for it. Maybe San Fransisco or even Los Angeles would work for you but I believe that people make connections aside from political views. The need to address community problems often bring out the "good" in people. Most Republicans don't want to be bothered if it means money for anyone other than themselves. That's what I mean by sociopathy.
I live in southern california. I know los angeles. This is where my friends are from. People do make connections besides their political affiliation, which was my entire point. You are contradicting yourself because you inferred that republicans not only could not get a JOB because of their views (discrimination=illegal), but would not make any friends either, which makes the baby jesus cry tears of pain.
As far as your over-generalizations about republicans, it is not on par with the reasoned, thoughtful commentary I have provided. I would advise you to move beyond the black/white binary thinking the establishment has drilled into you. Step your game up, son. Join the folks who think for themselves. You'll be glad you did.
I'm not sure what a "liberal conservative" is, but you'll sure have a hard time finding a job in the Bay Area as a registered nurse. California's budget problems related to Medi-Cal and other health care programs have forced many hospitals, even private hospitals, to lay off workers. With California's budget issues worsening I don't see any hope for finding employment any time soon in the Bay area. You might get lucky and find a position. I'd personally look into a health care group similar to the Palo Alto Medical Foundation. Those types of clinics and clinic systems have much more private sectors support and many are hiring.
I'm just saying everyone has the right to go where they're comfortable. Take that however you like.
I'll take it as you are terrified that a group of gay liberals will surround you, beat you up, make you swear to vote for Gavin Newsom, and leave you in an alleyway naked and shivering next to a drug addicted homeless guy from Truckee.
I'll take it as you are terrified that a group of gay liberals will surround you, beat you up, make you swear to vote for Gavin Newsom, and leave you in an alleyway naked and shivering next to a drug addicted homeless guy from Truckee.
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