Oakland Considering Filing Bankruptcy (Berkeley, Claremont: to buy, property tax, restaurants)

[sav858]

This is a good article on Oakland that I think the first paragraph sums up pretty well with regards to people's feelings,its reputation, and actual reality.

"A lot has changed in Oakland (http://travel.nytimes.com/travel/guides/north-america/united-states/california/oakland/overview.html?inline=nyt-geo - broken link) in the last decade, except maybe the city’s reputation. Recent headlines have emphasized high crime rates — including the March shootings of four police officers in East Oakland — but for visitors willing to give the city a chance, the rewards are plenty. With an influx of residents that began during the height of the ’90s dot-com boom came restaurants, shops and galleries to complement what was already there: Art Deco architecture, stunning views and a beautiful mix of cultures. There’s a lot going on in Oakland; the only reason you may not be hearing about it is that Oaklanders tend to keep a low profile. There’s a reason, after all, that a popular monthly open studio event is called Art Murmur."

36 Hours in Oakland, Calif. - NYTimes.com

Oakland isn't nearly as one dimensional as some try to make it out to be.

[BayDude]

Originally Posted by Shelacious

So that would mean that 40% of those are not.

I just don't think the logic adds up. Certainly, it's true that people segregate based on income levels, educational levels, racial/ethnic backgrounds, and that's the same in Oakland. However, there are too many pockets of people earning good incomes, toe the legal line, etc. to just toss them out as irrelevant. Even in neighborhoods were the median income is lower than $100K, there are plenty of great folks, college educated, dual incomes, sending their kids to private schools, etc.

It's just illogical to paint Oakland with a broad brush, unless have some hang-up with the city, and that's within your right. It's just what I've seen in the nearly 10 years I've lived in Oakland doesn't quite jive with what I've seen posted by some of the posters on this site (although I'm not immune to the very REAL problems Oakland has).

Seems like a reasonable response I can respect. I have no qualms with those who accept the realities in Oakland and don't have an agenda of denial and evasion. I'm have no doubt there's plenty of good folks those areas as you said. But fact is, the vast majority of the few wealthy folks in Oakland are concentrated in one area.

Some folks here are trying to make it seem like Oaklands one big country club and its quite clear that its not.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by BayDude

Really? I only saw one neighborhood on that list with household earnings over $200,000. Who do you think your fooling?

The opportunity to further educate you is my pleasure.

1. These are neighborhood averages.

2.East Bay Cities by the Number of Households Earning $200,000+ Annually
Oakland 8,985
Fremont 7,147
Pleasanton 4,440
Berkeley 3,757
Concord 2,348
Alameda 1,941
Richmond 1,281
Hayward 1,079

3. The $200,000+ Household Income is the fastest growing segment of Oakland's population.

Households earning $200,000+ annually.

Cities, 2007, Growth Rate 2005-2007
Los Angeles 78,427, +32%
San Francisco 35,748, +52%
San Diego 29,223, +26%
San Jose 27,055, +41%
Newport Beach 10,372, +22%
Oakland 8,985, +80%
Irvine 8,534, +25%
Huntington Beach 7,263, +22%
Fremont 7,147, +27%
Thousand Oaks 6,492, +33%
Long Beach 6,255, +51%
Santa Monica 5,845, +20%
Sunnyvale 5,473, +9%
Mountain View 4,814, +16%
Sacramento 4,733, +62%
Pleasanton 4,440, +47%
Pasadena 4,275,+34%
Anaheim 4,126, +61%
Redondo Beach 4,052, +42%
Glendale 3,976, -0.10%

I fail to see how its "delegitimizing" anyone. I'm black lol.

By deliberately denying the fact that there are lots of predominantly black and wealthy neighborhoods in Oakland-in essence your saying that those residents are inferior. If only to prove a flawed point.

How sad.

Anything else?

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by BayDude

Some folks here are trying to make it seem like Oaklands one big country club and its quite clear that its not.

How incredibly ironic.

Because some folks here are trying to make it seem like all the negative stereotypes characterizing the entire city of Oakland are true when its quite clear that its not.

[ssmaster]

the reality is there are a signifigant number of affluent people in oakland.they just happen to enjoy an urban environment(chinatown ,restaurants,music etc ).while i am sure pleasanton and fremont are nice it's just not for the almost 9,000 households making $200,000+.
hey i thought we were trying to keep this info on the down low..

[baybook]

Originally Posted by City Boy

That's 70% North Oakland or can you not read a map.

what you are referring to as SW Oakland is EAST Oakland. Just a reminder. ;-)

[BayDude]

1. These are neighborhood averages.

2.East Bay Cities by the Number of Households Earning $200,000+ Annually
Oakland 8,985
Fremont 7,147
Pleasanton 4,440
Berkeley 3,757
Concord 2,348
Alameda 1,941
Richmond 1,281
Hayward 1,079

3. The $200,000+ Household Income is the fastest growing segment of Oakland's population.

Households earning $200,000+ annually.

Cities, 2007, Growth Rate 2005-2007
Los Angeles 78,427, +32%
San Francisco 35,748, +52%
San Diego 29,223, +26%
San Jose 27,055, +41%
Newport Beach 10,372, +22%
Oakland 8,985, +80%
Irvine 8,534, +25%
Huntington Beach 7,263, +22%
Fremont 7,147, +27%
Thousand Oaks 6,492, +33%
Long Beach 6,255, +51%
Santa Monica 5,845, +20%
Sunnyvale 5,473, +9%
Mountain View 4,814, +16%
Sacramento 4,733, +62%
Pleasanton 4,440, +47%
Pasadena 4,275,+34%
Anaheim 4,126, +61%
Redondo Beach 4,052, +42%
Glendale 3,976, -0.10%

Source please.

Thanks.

[sonarrat]

Originally Posted by BayDude

Nope, its all pretty concentrated in one area. If you could call that Oakland. Take a look a that map again.

I'd like to see you walk south on Telegraph and tell me you still felt like you were in Berkeley.

[BayDude]

By deliberately denying the fact that there are lots of predominantly black and wealthy neighborhoods in Oakland-in essence your saying that those residents are inferior. If only to prove a flawed point.

Where at any point did I allegedly deny there were wealthy black neighborhoods in Oakland? This is not about race at all.

In any case. The incidence of wealthy black folks in Oakland is vastly outnumbered by the poor blacks folks there. Added, Many of them are probably in the entertainment and sports industries.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by BayDude

Source please.

Thanks.

American Factfinder of the US Census Bureau.

Your welcome.