Single, Black, Female (San Francisco: apartment, rent, credit)
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Coyoteyske, if you can eat and pay your bills that is happiness to me. People who are secure are secure, in today's economy less people feel secure. Didn't think she was in love with either place but is looking for suggestions and I gave her mine. If she wants to move to DC fine, SF fine, she just better have a good paying job. If you have never lived in DC not sure how you can make an assumption about a place about sane culture. DC has a lot to offer and job prospects are a bit better there at the moment. I hope the OP isn't planning on living off of culture, again she better have a job.
Trunky, didn't catch where anyone said don't move to SF/Bay Area because they will be miserable or maybe I am missing something? If anyone is planning a move the question of the day is do you have a job? Many people move around and don't have one, have you read any other threads? Money in this place goes quickly and faster if you don't have a job.
Living in DC is the same if not more expensive than the bay area, yes but people have more of a chance getting a job there at the current moment. Social workers do well there too. Have you been to DC? They have plenty of nightlife, museums, arts, music, venues, and all the other stuff you claim it doesn't happen. Why not go to the DC forum and ask them the same question? People don't go to DC as a means to an end. What are you talking about? DC and SF two very fabulous places to live.
Again to the OP if you have a stable job stay put SF or DC or where ever you want to live will be there when you want to move and have a good plan. In this economy I wouldn't go any where without a job lined up and resources to rely on if plan A and B didn't work out. If you can secure one come on down but you won't be sorry to live in any of the two places. From your interest in dating I would strongly recommend DC as that is the chocolate city and you can get many different flavors of chocolate to choose from there. But keep in mind a good man is hard to find no matter where you go, at least that is what my girlfriends tell me.
"Trunky, didn't catch where anyone said don't move to SF/Bay Area because they will be miserable or maybe I am missing something?"
I was really just speaking generally. It was also a reference to something you said said previously and it's a sentiment I see alot reading some of these threads.
"anyone is planning a move the question of the day is do you have a job?"
Like I said, why the assumption the masters student plans to move without considering employment?
"Have you been to DC? They have plenty of nightlife, museums, arts, music, venues, and all the other stuff you claim it doesn't happen."
I've been to DC multiple times and I enjoy it alot! I'm not claiming the nightlife etc "doesn't happen." My opinion is that it "happens" more in SF.
"People don't go to DC as a means to an end. What are you talking about?"
That comment stems from a personal anecdote. Last year I was in VA for work and I went to see a friend who lives in D.C. He's a peer, early 30s. We were talking about the demographics of the city and I was asking him how long he was going to be there, because he'd been there for a while. One of the things he said while talking about his experience in DC is "People come here so they can go somewhere else." He was there to get experience working on political campaigns, so he could take the experience back to Texas. It's a story I've heard many times.
People with Master's degrees that move here without a job will be people here with a master's degree broke. Know too many highly educated people without a job here. Again, this is a moving thread and often times on these threads you find out people curious about a place and think about just packing it up and moving without a job, master's degree and all. I strongly recommend against this and strongly recommend that people in stable jobs don't move in this economy. They may be moving into unstable jobs. So that is not unreasonable advice just being realistic.
No reference I gave to the OP said that she would be miserable nor did anyone else.
we started out so well, then you said it could not be expensive. you will starve in SF and not find anyone to date. but you will have a great cultural life.
"You'll understand what misery is if you do it in this economy."
BAG, your whole line of thinking is myopically centered around the assumption that the OP wants to move to SF without trying to get a job first. My line of thinking is centered around the opinion that SF is one of the best places in the country to live for an upwardly-mobile 20-something looking for the things the OP mentioned. The job market is tough for everyone everywhere right now, agreed. Social workers know all about that. Maybe she can come here and help your highly-educated acquaintances find jobs and training in new career fields.
Also this is from what the OP wrote: "Being a social worker I will likely not make over $50,000 starting out with my Masters Degree so I def want to be somewhere affordable."
Doesn't sound to me like this person has a job yet where she is at, she is just starting out? So again, why move here without a job? Hopefully, she will be looking before she gets here.
Trunky, Also, nope don't think she or anyone else can help my friends get a job. Am I missing something or doesn't CA have a higher unemployment rate than DC and or most states at the moment? Grad students and people working for many years are having a hard time finding a job. Ok, I understand you are basing your analogy on wishful thinking. Doesn't work in today's economy.
Your snootiness is kind of unecessary but... whatever. Just because it's tough to get a job doesn't mean there aren't any.
Trying to get a job in CA = Wishful thinking? Aren't we just fatalistic as all get out...
The reason I mentioned her helping your friends get jobs is because throughout the Bay Area, social workers are creating programs to help people that have lost jobs in sectors with high unemployment re-train to transition/work in other fields.
You're kind of a Debbie Downer and a pessimist. You shouldn't be allowed near the future leaders of the country. (Or the SF Visitors Center)
Trunky, for you to get all personal on a site with someone you don't know I think you need the counseling. If I come off snotty well who cares, you don't know me and my feelings aren't going to get hurt. If you think I am pesimitic well I think I am being realisitic and you unrealistic (kinda stary eyed).
Nope never said trying to get a job in CA is wishful thinking. You are trying to put words in my mouth to justify your stance. What I said and I will say it again, if anyone moves anywhere be it the bay area, DC, NY, where ever at this time you should have a job lined up. That is called being realistic so that the expectations and experience can turn out well. The OP does not have a job, why are you debating this? If you think that people can just pick up and move and find a job in today's economy and everything will turn out alright, well I don't think so.
What social workers do you know that are getting people jobs and making people feel better that don't have one? They are creating programs, what programs? Re-train, how can a social worker retrain anyone when their specialty is social work? That makes no sense and you are making things up.
Future leaders and successful people have a plan and a realistic one. CA is a great state and if you have a plan and a job it is a fabulous place to me especially if you are young without a family to worry about. But again don't come here if you don't have a job. If that makes me sound pesimistic, well ok I'll take it. I'd rather sound logical then otherwise.
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