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Old 09-16-2009, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Just got back to LA from a trip to the Bay and I was reminded of this age-old debate. I lived in Sf for five years and then NYC and now LA, and I must say that I feel safer driving the streets of LA than Sf, even though LA drives much faster (I left the NYC driving to the cabbies). A friend of mine who lives in Oakland blames SF's infrastructure (narrow streets and highways, over-crowding, nonexistent signage, etc.), but I'm not totally convinced...
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Old 09-16-2009, 02:53 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Yes, you're right. The LA smog actually encourages the development of stronger genes within the human body that contribute towards superior driving ability.
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Old 09-16-2009, 02:58 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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SoCal drivers are generally better than NorCal one's imo. Some of it may have to do with the infrastructure. I think the Bay Area's freeways overall are not as good as one's in metro LA and San Diego. They tend to be more curvy, use more asphalt compared to concrete, older, narrower, etc.. But it has better public transit so there is a trade off. There is more of a car culture in SoCal so maybe people drive more and are better at it b/c of that. I get frustrated with drivers up in the Bay Area more so than in Southern CA.
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Old 09-16-2009, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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There is more of a car culture in SoCal so maybe people drive more and are better at it b/c of that.
That is an interesting point. I learned to drive as a 16-year-old in Los Angeles, although I left for San Francisco when I was 17, so I feel like I was trained there. Do most teens in San Francisco learn to drive at 16 or are most of them hopping onto public transit?
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Old 09-16-2009, 04:35 PM
 
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Take it from someone who lives up here now and lived in LA until she was 18...

LA drivers are MUCH better drivers. The reason for this actually is, like someone said, due to the fact that LA County relies heavily on their freeway system and people MUST be good at driving.

But see the thing that pisses me off is that people should just want to drive well, regardless of where they live... it's ALWAYS a necessity.
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Old 09-16-2009, 04:37 PM
 
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Compared with drivers in other developed countries people throughout the US drive like a bunch of maniacs out in the sticks somewhere in SE Asia.

California is the worst within the US.

What's so bad about passing on the right? Autobahn etiquette, whadat? /sarc
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Old 09-16-2009, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Compared with drivers in other developed countries people throughout the US drive like a bunch of maniacs out in the sticks somewhere in SE Asia.

California is the worst within the US.

What's so bad about passing on the right? Autobahn etiquette, whadat? /sarc
I don't know about that. Drivers in California are just as bad as most Europeans. The great drivers in Europe are all in Germany, Switzerland, Northern Italy, the UK, and Ireland.

Northeastern and Midwestern US drivers tend to be pretty good. (NYC being the exception).If you have to drive in snow, you're going to be a better driver.
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Old 09-16-2009, 06:15 PM
 
Location: The High Seas
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Are LA drivers really better than SF drivers?
Not necessarily, just less lane swishing.
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Old 09-16-2009, 06:18 PM
 
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Just got back to LA from a trip to the Bay and I was reminded of this age-old debate. I lived in Sf for five years and then NYC and now LA, and I must say that I feel safer driving the streets of LA than Sf, even though LA drives much faster (I left the NYC driving to the cabbies). A friend of mine who lives in Oakland blames SF's infrastructure (narrow streets and highways, over-crowding, nonexistent signage, etc.), but I'm not totally convinced...
Hi! I, too have lived in NYC and now LA (Santa Monica) and am considering a move to SF for a job. Although, I've been to SF many times, I don't know much about SF living. Would love to learn about what you know.
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Old 09-16-2009, 06:26 PM
 
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I don't know about that. Drivers in California are just as bad as most Europeans. The great drivers in Europe are all in Germany, Switzerland, Northern Italy, the UK, and Ireland.

Northeastern and Midwestern US drivers tend to be pretty good. (NYC being the exception).If you have to drive in snow, you're going to be a better driver.
Yep. I did not recall French drivers are being that much different than here. And have some of you people ever been to NZ/Australia? My God the drivers there are horrible.

Midwestern drivers can be good but there is a definite distinction between upper midwest and lower-mid midwest. Places like Minnesota, Michigan, & the Dakotas have excellent drivers. Nebraska/Iowa & below are awful though. Hardly anyone pays attention to the road and if you want to get out of an exit only lane and there are cars to the left of you, you'll either be forced out or get into an accident. No joke. No amount of signaling is going to make anyone budge. Still driving is not terribly stressful there because there are all roads and no people (except for Chicagoland, where driving sucks.)

The northeast - ehh, I don't care for them but driving there isn't horrible. In general (especially NYC, which I don't find that much worse than other northeast cities though it is certainly more crowded) everyone is doing everything they can to get ahead - if you realize this you'll be fine, it does make it a bit stressful though.

As for LA vs. SF, LA easily. The infrastructure in SF city is not nearly as auto-friendly as LA, there are too many hills in SF which seems to freak people out, and SF drivers try too hard to be aggressive but can't really pull it off. In the rest of the bay area, they're not that bad but the do seem to be awfully spacy. LA people, for the most part, are most at ease in their car. It's part of the culture. IMO Southern California has the best drivers in the country (behind the upper midwest).
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