View Poll Results: Will you go aginst the spare-the-air rules and have a fire on Thanksgiving?
Yes. F@rk the BAAQMD and their rules. Fire at my place.
13 44.83%
No. There's a good reason for the fire ban. I'm not burning.
16 55.17%
11-30-2009, 04:55 PM
Location: the heartland
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hah ...no thanks... unless they want to install central heat? We use a wood burning stove and a fire place to heat our house. And at 3500 sq feet, it is a good bit of wood. But the eco freaks would probably not want to do this, because it is a landmark victorian building built in 1860s and must preserve that as well, right ?;/
12-01-2009, 12:02 PM
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Charles22
I received this email today from the BAAQMD (Bay area air quality management district). It's the first winter Spare-the-air alert for the season. Thanksgiving weekend is the beginning of the winter wood-burning season. Almost EVERYBODY has planned to have a fire going in the hearth all day on Thanksgiving, if not the whole weekend.
I think this stuff is total Big Brother bs. The air in the Bay Area is much cleaner than it used to be. The way they go on, you'd think we were Mexico City or something.
In general, I'm all for regulating pollution in cars and factories, etc. But enough is enough.
They're basically trying to force everyone into getting natural gas fireplaces.
12-01-2009, 03:26 PM
Location: In them thar hills
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mysticaltyger
I think this stuff is total Big Brother bs. The air in the Bay Area is much cleaner than it used to be. The way they go on, you'd think we were Mexico City or something.
Consider this. If people are off grid (or minimal grid) you can't use a Smartpower grid to monitor (and some day ration) their energy consumption. Wood heating is certainly a way to go minimal grid / gas distribution.
12-01-2009, 03:42 PM
Location: 38°14′45″N 122°37′53″W
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grapico
hah ...no thanks... unless they want to install central heat? We use a wood burning stove and a fire place to heat our house. And at 3500 sq feet, it is a good bit of wood. But the eco freaks would probably not want to do this, because it is a landmark victorian building built in 1860s and must preserve that as well, right ?;/
What town are you in? Which landmark designation does the house have?
12-02-2009, 07:50 PM
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BayAreaHillbilly
Consider this. If people are off grid (or minimal grid) you can't use a Smartpower grid to monitor (and some day ration) their energy consumption. Wood heating is certainly a way to go minimal grid / gas distribution.
No arguments from me. I don't know why the air district doesn't just subsidize the new cleaner burning fireplaces for people if they think it's such a big deal. That would solve the problem.
12-02-2009, 10:53 PM
Location: Oakland, CA
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We don't burn on STA days because we fear a fine. I get emails daily, but I don't always read them, so it's conceivable that we burn on a STA occasionally. We generally burn wood for the enjoyment rather than sole heat source. I know we've got to have a pretty inefficient fireplace (our house is over 80 years old) but I wouldn't have bought a house without a wood burning fireplace.
12-03-2009, 10:14 AM
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If the Air District was really about clean air... it would not lump clean burning EPA wood stoves in with inefficient open chimney fireplaces... the Federal Government gives tax credits for the former because they do burn clean...
12-04-2009, 12:09 AM
Location: in here, out there
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Only in the Bay Area would a goverment agency lump everyone together and then enlist the public to spy...
You're obviously not a poly-sci major. People have been narc-ing on their neighbors since the beginning of time.
12-04-2009, 12:16 AM
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Charles22
You're obviously not a poly-sci major. People have been narc-ing on their neighbors since the beginning of time.
Engineer by training and profession...
I have a live and let live attitude
12-24-2009, 01:31 PM
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Just a suggestion for the BAAQMD on how other States meet compliance without draconian measures...
Washington State:
Under a Stage 1 Ban, no burning is allowed in fireplaces or uncertified wood stoves, and all outdoor burning is prohibited, even in areas where outdoor burning is not permanently banned. Additionally, no visible smoke is allowed from any wood stove or fireplace, certified or not, beyond a 20-minute start-up period.
Those that have certified wood stoves and burn seasoned wood have nothing to worry about... unlike the blanket bans issued by the BAAQMD
I would have thought the Bay Area would be at the forefront in protecting individual rights? WA can do it... why not the here?
If smoke is the problem... go after the smoke and leave the certified stoves alone.
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