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Old 12-04-2009, 08:32 PM
 
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The difference between random and targeted violence...

again, TYPICALLY, people that are killed in those extremely high crime areas are involved in illegal activity. That doesn't mean their life is worth less than mine, but I don't feel afraid because I don't live that type of lifestyle. I don't frequent places where those activities take place. I'm not standing on street corners at 1am in areas where drugs are sold. Etc

 
Old 12-04-2009, 10:09 PM
 
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The difference between random and targeted violence...
Your still missing the point. Murder is'nt the only crime and its not neccesarily violent though violence could easily become a factor. Like I said they have problems with burglary, car breakings, robbery, the list goes on. I can't tell you how many times my family members cars have been broken into in Oakland.

Do criminals only burglarize other criminals homes? No. Its not just limited to criminals. Some of you guys are in la-la land. Not neccessarily you but some other posters in this thread.

Last edited by BayDude; 12-04-2009 at 11:03 PM..
 
Old 12-04-2009, 10:38 PM
 
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Your still missing the point. Murder is'nt the only crime and its not neccesarily violent though violence could easily become a factor. Like I said they have problems with burglary, car breakings, robbery, the list goes on. I can't tell you how many times my family members cars have been broken into in Oakland.

Do criminals only burglarize other criminals homes? No. Its not just limited to criminals. Some of you you guys are in la-la land. Not neccessarily you but some other posters in this thread.
I've been managing rentals in the east bay since 1982 and many are in Oakland. The few break-ins were done by someone that had been in the home prior as a guest or family members...

Auto Break-ins are more a crime of opportunity... not so, in my experience, for residential burglary... a big problem is hit and runs and drivers without insurance or even a license... I would not want to trust my car parked on the street because I know what can happen by careless drivers.

Maybe, I've been very lucky... my vehicles have been broken into several times and never in Oakland... San Leandro is where I've been hit in broad daylight twice.

I also don't walk the streets in the wee hours of the morning. One of my tenant's son was killed at age 21... he was in and out of jail and did not live with his Mom... she had said that one day she new she would get the call that her son would be shot or worse and it happened... she also has a daughter that has done real well... very good job and family and very active in their congregation...

It would seem at times that everyone living in Oakland is either a criminal or a victim... there are some of us that just go about living our lives... get along with are neighbors and are not out walking the streets at midnight.

Last edited by Ultrarunner; 12-05-2009 at 10:18 AM.. Reason: clarity
 
Old 12-04-2009, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Some of you you guys are in la-la land.
Actually the stats really do confirm what we've been saying.

Oakland 2008
Violent Crimes 7,905
Property Crimes 21,488

Now we are in agreement that these numbers are outrageous and need crime in Oakland needs to be addressed immediately. That goes without saying.

At the same time however,
Violent Crimes 7,905...1.8% of Oakland's population
Property Crimes 21,488...5.0% of Oakland's population

And Im being generous cause many violent crimes occur to the same person more than once but for arguments sake let's just presume that each incident had one different victim each time.

Obviously 6.8% is astronomical and terrible-yes, whoa is us.

But that leaves 93.2% of Oaklanders not victims of any property or violent crimes in the whole year.

Not really as bad as most outsiders would venture to guess Im sure.
 
Old 12-04-2009, 11:26 PM
 
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Cool The Art Of Denial Courtesy Of 18montclair

Violent Crime Statistics Top 5 Highest Top And Top 5 Lowest By Volume

Richmond 1,220 0.0124489795918 Contra Costa Vallejo 1,089 0.00955263157895 Solano San Jose 3,759 0.00418131256952 Santa Clara San Francisco 6,465 0.0085290237467 San Francisco Oakland 7,604 0.0204408602151 Alameda Los Altos 18 0.000620689655172 Santa Clara Danville 22 0.000511627906977 Contra Costa Foster City 22 0.000733333333333 San Mateo Belmont 24 0.00096 San Mateo Lafayette 25 0.001 Contra Costa


Oaklead leads the pack even by Richmond 7 Times. San Fransico has twice the population but falls short over 1000 incidences?

Enough of your nonsense. Oaklands rate seems low except when you compare it to other cities. Thats the point I've been making. You point you seem wholly incapable or unwanting to comprehend. Instead you want to tap dance around the facts and produce selective data that confirms your silly view.

Oakland is a dangerous city by American standards and relative to other similar cities. Period. End of story. Get over it and stop trying to argue an inarguable point.

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Old 12-05-2009, 12:07 AM
 
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Violent Crime Statistics Top 5 Highest Top And Top 5 Lowest By Volume

Richmond 1,220 0.0124489795918 Contra Costa Vallejo 1,089 0.00955263157895 Solano San Jose 3,759 0.00418131256952 Santa Clara San Francisco 6,465 0.0085290237467 San Francisco Oakland 7,604 0.0204408602151 Alameda Los Altos 18 0.000620689655172 Santa Clara Danville 22 0.000511627906977 Contra Costa Foster City 22 0.000733333333333 San Mateo Belmont 24 0.00096 San Mateo Lafayette 25 0.001 Contra Costa


Oaklead leads the pack even by Richmond 7 Times. San Fransico has twice the population but falls short over over 1000 incidences?

Enough of your nonsense. Oaklands rate seems low except when you compare it to other cities. Thats the point I've been making. You point you seem wholly incapable or unwanting to comprehend. Instead you want to tap dance around the facts and produce selective data that confirms your silly view.

Oakland is a dangerous city by American standards and relative to other similar cities. Period. End of story. Get over it and stop trying to argue an inarguable point.
Oakland is dangerous to American Standards? Perhaps west coast standards maybe? I think St. Louis, Detroit, Philadelphia, and Baltimore would be higher...am I wrong?
 
Old 12-05-2009, 12:31 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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The Art Of Denial Courtesy Of 18montclair

How rude.

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Violent Crime Statistics Top 5 Highest Top And Top 5 Lowest By Volume
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Richmond 1,220 0.0124489795918 Contra Costa Vallejo 1,089 0.00955263157895 Solano San Jose 3,759 0.00418131256952 Santa Clara San Francisco 6,465 0.0085290237467 San Francisco Oakland 7,604 0.0204408602151 Alameda Los Altos 18 0.000620689655172 Santa Clara Danville 22 0.000511627906977 Contra Costa Foster City 22 0.000733333333333 San Mateo Belmont 24 0.00096 San Mateo Lafayette 25 0.001 Contra Costa
Once again, 7,604 at worst is less than 2% of Oakland's population.

Thank you for confirming that.

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Enough of your nonsense.
Well, 2% of Oakland's residents being victimized still leaves 98% that are not.

Your fearmongering is what's nonsensical.

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Oaklands rate seems low except when you compare it to other cities. Thats the point I've been making.
No one disagrees with you.
I've just commented on that:
Now we are in agreement that these numbers are outrageous and need crime in Oakland needs to be addressed immediately. That goes without saying.
-18Montclair.

Guess you glossed over that part.

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Instead you want to tap dance around the facts and produce selective data that confirms your silly view.
Well, the numbers also work against your argument as I have shown-and now you have shown-thanks.

7,600 incidents even if those incidents happened to 7,600 different people, STILL ONLY ACCOUNTS FOR LESS THAN 2% of OAKLAND's POPULATION.

Period.

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Oakland is a dangerous city by American standards and relative to other similar cities. Period. End of story. Get over it and stop trying to argue an inarguable point.
I certainly am not the one who is having a hard time getting over something.

That is crystal clear to anyone whose read your posts.
 
Old 12-05-2009, 12:32 AM
 
Location: CA
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Oakland is dangerous to American Standards? Perhaps west coast standards maybe? I think St. Louis, Detroit, Philadelphia, and Baltimore would be higher...am I wrong?
Umm maybe we should add Newark, Jacksonville FL, Flint MI and New Orleans????.

According to the media any city with a large minority population is dangerous. And personally.. I do not believe the stats.

I can tell you what's dangerous to American standards... bigoted, small minded people.
 
Old 12-05-2009, 12:37 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Oakland is dangerous to American Standards? Perhaps west coast standards maybe? I think St. Louis, Detroit, Philadelphia, and Baltimore would be higher...am I wrong?
I think suburbanites get all riled up over crime and get their panties in a bunch when we show them a perspective they don't want to accept because it flies in the face of their preconceived notions.

We know Oakland has crime-but we also know that there is so much more to Oakland. BayDude is not interested in dialogue on the matter because that would require listening and comprehending where others are coming from.

And he isnt prepared to do that.
 
Old 12-05-2009, 01:00 PM
 
Location: OAKLAND CA
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I think that as well as crime we must look at quality of life here in Oakland. For the most part that quality is pretty darn good if you are affluent enough to enjoy it. The disaparity between rich and poor seems to add to some of the robberies and non violent crimes.
As for the murders I remain confused why this crime is so prevelent in the poorer parts of town???
Throughout the 16 pages of discussion this had not yet been discussed. For me the question begs an answer.
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