Oakland now has 100 murders this year (Mission Viejo, Mountain View: section 8, rental, unemployment rate)
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Why are you all still trying to explain, to this obvious troll, the good aspects of Oakland? The fool doesn't care, he just want's to get people angry by repeating the stereotypical BS in order to rile up this forum. He's a loser, and probably mentally disturbed being that things like this give him satisfaction. Only disturbed people get off on such ridiculous subject matter.
Oakland's wealthy population is not much different in proportion to that found in California's safest cities.
Here's Oakland compared to the 10 Safest Cities in California in 2 very impressive factors.
% of Households Earning $200,000+ Annually, 2007
11. Irvine 12.1%
2. Mission Viejo 10.7%
32. Huntington Beach 9.9%
13. Chino Hills 8.8%
37. Orange 8.7%
31. Simi Valley 8.7%
12. Lake Forest 7.4% 5. Oakland 6.0%
18. Thousand Oaks 5.3%
30. Glendale 5.4%
40. Santa Clarita 4.4%
And Oakland's educational attainment level actually beats most of the safest cities.
Adults Age 25+ With Graduate Degree, 2007
11. Irvine 25.6%
18. Thousand Oaks 19.2%
2. Mission Viejo 16.5% 5. Oakland 15.5%
32. Huntington Beach 13.8%
30. Glendale 11.8%
13. Chino Hills 11.6%
12. Lake Forest 11.6%
37. Orange 10.2%
40. Santa Clarita 9.4%
31. Simi Valley 8.8%
I don't understand what you're trying to prove with posting random statistics. As any true statistician knows, factor analysis is FAR more important than raw data itself (which is why I always qualify my points with data and other underlying factors).
1) Oakland only has 6% of the population earning over $200,000 kind of helps the point I made above, the distribution of wealth in Oakland is not very diffuse. Like I said, if a small percentage of the city lives in abundance, and the other 95% of the people are killing each other with automatic weapons fire, does it make Oakland a great place to live? Probably not. Take Rio De Janeiro, beautiful city with plenty of rich people, however, most of the city lives in gang filled ghettos where hundreds of people die a year to gun fire. Oakland is in this same boat.
2) Oakland is located the Bay Area where rents are generally high, and in low supply in desirable areas. In an area where there are dozens of colleges within commuting distance, Oakland is in a unique situation where rents are low (because of how crappy the city is), and lots of poor recent grads tend to migrate there because they need a cheap place to live. That doesn't mean any of them actually stick around. If that were the case, Oakland wouldn't have 100+ people dying a year from homicide.
The only data that really matters is that Oakland has 3-4 times the amount of theft and violent crime on average, for a city of its size. That's pretty telling.
Oakland only have 6% of the population earning over $200,000 kind of helps the point I made above, the distribution of wealth in Oakland is not very diffuse.
Actually 6% is 50% higher than the national average.
US Household Income
Total Households 112,377,977
Households Earning $200,000+ 4,449,446
US Households Earning $200,000+ 3.9%
Why are you all still trying to explain, to this obvious troll, the good aspects of Oakland? The fool doesn't care, he just want's to get people angry by repeating the stereotypical BS in order to rile up this forum. He's a loser, and probably mentally disturbed being that things like this give him satisfaction. Only disturbed people get off on such ridiculous subject matter.
True.
Sometimes I wonder how long it takes before these trolls say "I guess I was wrong".
Actually 6% is 50% higher than the national average.
US Household Income
Total Households 112,377,977
Households Earning $200,000+ 4,449,446
US Households Earning $200,000+ 3.9%
Next.
Again, you fail to understand what true factor analysis is.
Graph out the income curve for the residents in Oakland as a whole from $10,000 to $250,000. You know how that line would look? Flat until the very end where you get a spike. Large cities in the third world have income curves like this too, Rio, Bangkok, etc. Wealthier, less crime-filled cities usually have flatter curves with less variation because wealth is more diffuse which leads to more social and economic stability.
Here's poverty mapped out for the Bay Area using 2000 Census Data:
Darker areas mean more poverty. Hmm, interesting. What do we see? The majority of Oakland is poor and crime filled.
Oakland, Richmond, Vallejo, the Hunter's Point area of San Francisco all have high poverty. What do all those areas have in common? They are not very desirable areas where people want to live because of their relatively high crime.
This isn't made up stuff, Oakland is a crap hole and the data backs this up.
Why are you all still trying to explain, to this obvious troll, the good aspects of Oakland? The fool doesn't care, he just want's to get people angry by repeating the stereotypical BS in order to rile up this forum. He's a loser, and probably mentally disturbed being that things like this give him satisfaction. Only disturbed people get off on such ridiculous subject matter.
It's one thing to look at pretty colours on a map. It's another to look at them by actually being on the ground:
I'm not going to harp to much here because I think seeing Oakland speaks for itseft as so many have said. However if this is the face of a poverty laden dump, I'm game, sign me up
Oakland, Richmond, Vallejo, the Hunter's Point area of San Francisco all have high poverty. What do all those areas have in common? They are not very desirable areas where people want to live because of their relatively high crime.
Once again, you throw a blanket over the entire expanse of Oakland while you only point out one section of San Francisco.
San Francisco, like Oakland, is a city of tremendous contrasts. You refuse to admit that. I don't know why.
Now, its no secret that Oakland has many poor people. And while you might not agree, even poor people need a place to live. Oakland has opened its arms to people that cannot afford to live elsewhere-and I love that.
Oakland Households
Total 147,683
Households Earning Under $25,000: 43,201
Households Earning $25,000-$50,000: 34,349
At the same time, you contend that people of substance would never choose to live in Oakland and that is just flat out wrong.
Oakland Households earning $100,000+ Annually: 32,552
22% of Oakland Households earn over $100,000.
If we look at actual family statistics, its even more pronounced that Oakland has a sizable wealthy population.
These are generally households that could live in Suburbia if they wanted to but choose not to. This is because Oakland offers them plenty of areas that are just as desirable if not more so than Suburbia.
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This isn't made up stuff, Oakland is a crap hole and the data backs this up.
The crime rate in the flat lands does not define the entire city.
I've been sitting here reading this thread and wondering at which point Mr. Fantastic would finally pull his head out of his a**, but apparently it's not going to happen.
I'm not even from Oakland, but I feel the need to defend it here. I grew up in the South Bay/San Jose (another place that lots of people ignorantly talk bad about) and growing up there, I always had a very negative perception about Oakland...that is until I was older and actually spent some time there myself. Mr. Fantastic has not once given his credentials as to how he's some sort of expert on Oakland, which is all the more reason to assume he's just a troll who's here to stir the pot.
Does Oakland have some serious crime issues? Yes, it does. Is the whole city or even most of the city affected by crime? No. Check any crime report website and you can find that the crime map shows pretty much all the crime isolated to certain sections of the city. Do you seriously think that somebody living in Montclair has to deal with hoodlums performing sideshows on their street? Do you seriously think that somebody living in Claremont goes to sleep with the sound of gunfire? It's totally absurd!
Does that mean that's it's not possible for crime to happen in the nice parts of Oakland? No. That's the case everywhere in any highly-populated area. There's always a possibility that crime could affect anybody anywhere. I highly doubt that residents living pretty much anywhere East of 580 in Oakland, or especially any residents near Hwy. 13, live their daily lives in fear. I'd have zero hesitation moving into one of Oakland's many great neighborhoods if my life happened to take me up that way.
To put things into even more perspective, think about how many "good" places in the Bay Area are adjacent to or near many "bad" places.
While not as high-crime as it used to be, East Palo Alto is right next to one of the most posh areas of Palo Alto...literally just across the freeway.
Try driving along Middlefield Road through hoity-toity Atherton. Almost instantly as you cross into Redwood City, you're in a dumpy area. How many freeways in the Bay Area go through both crappy and awesome areas. I-880 goes through some of the worst areas of Oakland, and it also goes through one of the poshest areas of San Jose, the Rose Garden.
I-680 goes through Danville, Pleasanton, etc. and it also goes through a total s***-hole area in East San Jose.
My point is that when you're living in any highly-populated area, different people will all have to live together. Can crime from bad areas spill into nice areas? Sure it can. Does it happen as often as some people here would make it seem? No. Typically, hoodlums from the ghetto feel completely out of their element in nicer areas. They know that they stick out like a sore thumb in good areas and will most likely be harrassed by police...and probably deservedly so. I used to have a good friend who had a very ghetto/gang lifestyle type of upbringing in East SJ. She actually felt very uncomfortable hanging out anywhere outside of the East Side.
Here's some homework for Mr. Fantastic: go to any reputable MLS website (ziprealty.com is a good one) and look for houses in Oakland that are listed for $1,000,000+ and prepare to be impressed at some of the unbelievable real estate that's for sale. I'd be interested for you to see how these homes/neighborhoods stack up to wherever you live. Supposedly you're from Mission Viejo, which is considered an upscale place. I know it's probably hard for you to fathom that there are people living in Oakland that live in a much nicer life than even some people in MV...something to think about.
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