****Re-Unification of San Mateo and San Francisco County ****POLL
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Does it really matter? Some cities aren't even part of a county entity at all.
Of course it matters. Do you know nothing about local-state government? Do you know anything about urban planning or anything of the social structures in SF-SM counties? Do you know anything of the common local history of SF-SM counties from the Raymatash indian group of Ohlone Indians to the SF Mission Dolores lands from SF to the banks of san fransquito creek(present day SM-Santa Clara County border), up until the creation of modern day american California and the creation of California counties,.. San Francisco county and San Mateo county being one in the same up until the split in 1856 due to curropt politcians and their mobsters buddys.
I wouldn't favor outright annexation since it would create a massive county that would be extremely difficult to control (like LA County), but I would much prefer Bay Area counties coordinating more of their actions together. In other words, they should cooperate more rather than constantly antagonize each other. Maybe act more on the regional level, instead of a micro local level.
At the same time, I would favor for the City of LA to decentralize into a borough system type deal. It's too big and too unwieldy to keep it the way it is right now.
How would the new San Francisco county be a "Massive county like LA"????
La County is 4,000 sq miles while the new SF county would only be 500 sq miles. SF county would be 8 times smaller then LA county. How would that be a massive county like LA that would be difficult to control? Check your facts!!!!!
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Of course it matters. Do you know nothing about local-state government? Do you know anything about urban planning or anything of the social structures in SF-SM counties? Do you know anything of the common local history of SF-SM counties from the Raymatash indian group of Ohlone Indians to the SF Mission Dolores lands from SF to the banks of san fransquito creek(present day SM-Santa Clara County border), up until the creation of modern day american California and the creation of California counties,.. San Francisco county and San Mateo county being one in the same up until the split in 1856 due to curropt politcians and their mobsters buddys.
I don't think your history is accurate but based on everything I've already said to you, I obviously do know a little about why things are the way they are. You just don't want to see that because you are obsessed with this unification idea to the point that you have blinders on and refuse to listen to anyone else.
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How would the new San Francisco county be a "Massive county like LA"????
La County is 4,000 sq miles while the new SF county would only be 500 sq miles. SF county would be 8 times smaller then LA county. How would that be a massive county like LA that would be difficult to control? Check your facts!!!!!
I don't think he/she meant actual physical land area but in terms of a large population being concentrated in a relatively small area. Even then the "new county" wouldn't have LA counties population but also not it's size so the size to population ratio would be similar.
I don't think your history is accurate but based on everything I've already said to you, I obviously do know a little about why things are the way they are. You just don't want to see that because you are obsessed with this unification idea to the point that you have blinders on and refuse to listen to anyone else.
What about if the history was correct? Then would I have a point?
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What about if the history was correct? Then would I have a point?
Well let me be clear. What I was doubting was the very last statement. The rest of what you said was true for the most part. However I think there may have been other reasons for the county split as it was the in thing in those days.
California became a state in 1850. At that time, San Mateo County was a part of San Francisco County. Political corruption was rampant in the city, however, and efforts to oust the corrupt politicians in city government simply resulted in their reappearance in county government. In an effort to solve this problem, it was decided to make the City of San Francisco and the County of San Francisco the same entity with the same boundaries. Thus, in 1856, San Mateo Bayside became a county. The first voting was established in haste and allowed the "roughs" who had been driven from San Francisco to take control of the San Mateo County government. Ballot boxes were stuffed and voters were intimidated, leaving the county largely in the hands of corrupt politicians, but some honest men were also elected. Violence erupted and the gang members were exposed and forced to leave. In new elections, more law-abiding officials were elected, although San Mateo remained a place for activities banned in San Francisco well into the 20th Century.
The creation of San Mateo County had very far-reaching implications for both San Francisco and San Mateo Counties. San Mateo now controlled the water supply and the cemeteries for both counties and later on, would house the regional airport. San Francisco now had very finite limits on its ability to expand geographically and in terms of its tax base. San Mateo remained sparsely settled, rural and slow growing. It developed a reputation as a place to get away with illegal activities that were outlawed in San Francisco such as dueling, dog racing, horse racing, prize fighting, and in the 1920s, production of alcohol. In 1868, the Oceanside was annexed in to the County. Separated by the Santa Cruz Mountains, the Bayside and the Oceanside developed along different paths.
In the 1850s and 1860s, activity on the north end of the county near San Francisco centered on trading, gambling, and drinking alcohol, especially after 1856 because there was less law enforcement in San Mateo than in San Francisco. Drinking establishments dominated the businesses until Prohibition; from 1890 through the early 1900s, about 30 percent of the businesses were saloons. By 1900, the county had attracted several activities that San Francisco had outlawed or did not have space for, such as dog tracks and boxing.
For some reason we are intentionally balkanized(why, I do not know?) into a million little townships.
Many covering no more than a few (2or3) square miles, and almost none topping over 10sq miles.
Each of these townships is an autonomous municipality with its own police, fire, and school system. The only thing they have in common is their public transportation. There are many cases of 10+ townships competing in a total land area of less than a hundred square miles with a combined population of over 300,00 within that space. It is economically inefficient because of all the service duplication.
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