2009: Oakland crime decreased twice as fast as nat'l average (Mission Viejo: violent crime, median income)

[Mr. Fantastic]

Originally Posted by Oakland Uptown

Legalize drugs and crime would drop at least 50%,

That's the stupidest thing I've read in 6 months.

[Oakland Uptown]

^^ You're lying as usual because everyday you post on here is the stupidest thing anybody can read.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Fantastic

That's the stupidest thing I've read in 6 months.

you must not read much.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Instead of making this about me, why don't you two geniuses substantiate how "legalizing drugs" would decrease crime by "50%"?

[rah]

^what's the point? It will either:

A. go over your head because you have learning difficulties

or,

B. go over your head becuase you have already made up your mind, and are a troll with no real interest in debate

[Oakland Uptown]

Exactly why I have not responded to his idiotic challenge. Facts and proof do not matter to a message board troller they will find a way to try to discredit or argue against the popular opinion for the sake of being annoying.

[Nineties Flava]

Originally Posted by Mr. Fantastic

Instead of making this about me, why don't you two geniuses substantiate how "legalizing drugs" would decrease crime by "50%"?

Simple...


if drugs become decriminalized and integrated into the market then they become like any other commodity/service and there's no sizeable illegal profit to be made... you realize that alcohol and the prohibition was no different right? The Alcohol Prohibition created the Italian-American Mafia and by extension organized crime in this country...

[Mr. Fantastic]

Originally Posted by Nineties Flava

Simple...


if drugs become decriminalized and integrated into the market then they become like any other commodity/service and there's no sizeable illegal profit to be made... you realize that alcohol and the prohibition was no different right? The Alcohol Prohibition created the Italian-American Mafia and by extension organized crime in this country...

You can't parallel prohibition of alcohol with the laws against marijuana.

First off, Alcohol was deeply ingrained into the cultural, and social fabric of many people immigrating into the U.S during the 1920's. This was NEVER the case for Marijuana which has always had a negative perception in the United States.

Secondly, Marijuana has never been proven to have any physiological benefits besides the numbing of pain (like most psychoactive substances). Morphine has the same effect, and it's also heavily regulated.

Legalizing Marijuana may decrease crime related to the trade of it, but how much would it increase accidents, addiction, and other negatives associated with it?

You're basically making the point that if you take away a law regulating something, then the crimes related to its illegal trafficking would disappear. No duh. You could say the same for cocaine, and methamphetamine. Does that mean we should legalize cocaine and claim "victory" on the war on drugs? The argument simply doesn't make sense to me.

[Nineties Flava]

Originally Posted by Mr. Fantastic

You can't parallel prohibition of alcohol with the laws against marijuana.

First off, Alcohol was deeply ingrained into the cultural, and social fabric of many people immigrating into the U.S during the 1920's. This was NEVER the case for Marijuana which has always had a negative perception in the United States.

Secondly, Marijuana has never been proven to have any physiological benefits besides the numbing of pain (like most psychoactive substances). Morphine has the same effect, and it's also heavily regulated.

Legalizing Marijuana may decrease crime related to the trade of it, but how much would it increase accidents, addiction, and other negatives associated with it?

You're basically making the point that if you take away a law regulating something, then the crimes related to its illegal trafficking would disappear. No duh. You could say the same for cocaine, and methamphetamine. Does that mean we should legalize cocaine and claim "victory" on the war on drugs? The argument simply doesn't make sense to me.

a) how many accidents occur from drunk driving every year? How many die from alcohol overdose? You can't overdose on weed... it's also not a very addictive drug. It's certainly FAR less addictive than tobacco or alcohol.

b) What benefits does alcohol have? And Marijuana itself has a lot more uses than being smoked... all of which are outlawed.

c) Marijuana's negative image is in large part due to tobacco companies...

d) Crime caused by the illegal marijuana trade is considerable enough that legalizing it needs serious consideration... legalizing it would cut down on a huge amount of crime.

[Mr. Fantastic]

a) Alcohol is already legal and heavily regulated. Every other point you brought up is inconsequential to the argument of "Will legalizing marijuana eliminate crime related to it?"

b) Alcohol good for the Heart: HowStuffWorks "How can alcohol be good for your heart?"

c) This is unproven speculation. Disregarded.

d) Again, speculation. Disregarded.