Oakland, Richmond named among the most dangerous cities (Los Angeles, San Diego: violent crime, living)

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by City Boy

Why are you talking about Shooting up again? What does that have to do with anything? Shooting up heroin vs. smoking weed? Are you crazy?


Also You're not from San Francisco, because if you were you would know that the majority of major crime in SF comes from the long time violence in between gangs in the cities housing projects and ghetto's over retaliation and turf. Those people you assume are homeless may not be. Did you ask them if they were homeless? Or do people hanging out on the corners who are not wearing banana republic sweaters and loafers automatically assumed to be homeless.

Plus, the only crimes usually committed by the homeless are petty theft (not too common) and public intoxication... I've lived in the Bay Area for 25 years, and I'm less threatened/scared by the homeless than probably 80% of the people in town. And I agree, comparing marijuana (which IS legal here for the most part) to shooting heroin is completely irrelevant - that would be like comparing jaywalking to drunk driving.

[Jonotastic]

Originally Posted by City Boy

Why are you talking about Shooting up again? What does that have to do with anything? Shooting up heroin vs. smoking weed? Are you crazy?


Also You're not from San Francisco, because if you were you would know that the majority of major crime in SF comes from the long time violence in between gangs in the cities housing projects and ghetto's over retaliation and turf. Those people you assume are homeless may not be. Did you ask them if they were homeless? Or do people hanging out on the corners who are not wearing banana republic sweaters and loafers automatically assumed to be homeless.

I don't think we will reach an agreement lol. I guess it's okay to rob a person as long as you don't threaten their life. I got it. I spent a few years living in San Francisco and I know about the ghettos, Hunter's Point, Filmore, Tenderloin etc. I think it's this liberalism (granted I voted for Obama) that is the reason the Bay Area and California in general has so much crime and yes it's mostly from gangs, but I said criminals find the justice system a joke, not just homeless people. I didn't say the homeless are murdering people, I'm just saying you have a law and someone breaks it, they need to fulfull the punishment otherwise make it legal. I know we won't reach an agreement though, so I guess there's no more point in talking about it because I keep repeating myself and you keep repeating yourself. As Ron Burgandy would say, "we'll agree to disagree" lol

[Jeff Jarrett]

I think it's this liberalism (granted I voted for Obama) that is the reason the Bay Area and California in general has so much crime

With the exception of Oakland, Richmond, and East Palo Alto, I don't really consider the crime rate in the rest of the Bay Area to be that bad. Atleast not when compared to cities like Detroit, Washington D.C, Baltimore, New Orleans, Miami, etc.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by Jeff Jarrett

With the exception of Oakland, Richmond, and East Palo Alto, I don't really consider the crime rate in the rest of the Bay Area to be that bad. Atleast not when compared to cities like Detroit, Washington D.C, Baltimore, New Orleans, Miami, etc.

Well I'm sure if you were to exclude the highest crime cities in any metropolitan area then it could be considered "safe". The Bay Area ranks pretty damn high on the list of the most dangerous metropolitan areas and is up there with places like Miami. Apparently all of the social "progress" in the Bay Area doesn't include doing something about one of the main quality of life issues. Maybe if some cities stopped trying to impeach Bush or dictate foreign policy they could focus on REAL matters like crime.

http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/Metr...8_Rank_Rev.pdf

[Pug Life]

Originally Posted by sav858

Well I'm sure if you were to exclude the highest crime cities in any metropolitan area then it could be considered "safe". The Bay Area ranks pretty damn high on the list of the most dangerous metropolitan areas and is up there with places like Miami. Apparently all of the social "progress" in the Bay Area doesn't include doing something about one of the main quality of life issues. Maybe if some cities stopped trying to impeach Bush or dictate foreign policy they could focus on REAL matters like crime.

http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/Metr...8_Rank_Rev.pdf

How do you explain the fact that San Jose and San Francisco (both very liberal cities) rank near the bottom in crime rates? Houston is far more conservative, and far more dangerous. Violent crime is virtually non-existant in San Jose (lowest rate of any American city with 1,000,000 people) and it votes about 70% Democrat. Plus, South Carolina is the most dangerous state in the union, with Tennessee being 4th and Alaska (a mostly white state, so the race card cannot be played either) being 7th.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by leftydan6

How do you explain the fact that San Jose and San Francisco (both very liberal cities) rank near the bottom in crime rates? Houston is far more conservative, and far more dangerous. Violent crime is virtually non-existant in San Jose (lowest rate of any American city with 1,000,000 people) and it votes about 70% Democrat. Plus, South Carolina is the most dangerous state in the union, with Tennessee being 4th and Alaska (a mostly white state, so the race card cannot be played either) being 7th.

San Francisco does NOT rank near the bottom, its crime rate is up there. That list you show is very small and its from Wikipedia. Also the CITY of Houston is NOT that conservative at all, the region is but not the city itself.

San Jose doesn't have 1,000,000 people either and the title for safest city over 1 million in the US belongs to San Diego, which many consider a conservative city, although its really moderate overall.

And CA ranks in the Top 10 most dangerous states as well.

What exactly is your point BTW?? I never claimed that the Bay Area has a high crime rate b/c its "liberal" policies, I just was saying maybe people should stop patting themselves on the back for claiming to be so "socially progressive" when the Bay Area has the same social problems as everywhere else. You can find examples of liberal and conservative cities that have high crime rates and some that have low crime rates which is why I don't really think it makes much of a difference how "conservative" or "liberal" a city or region is overall.

[Pug Life]

Originally Posted by Jonotastic

I think it's this liberalism that is the reason the Bay Area and California in general has so much crime

Really? You didn't say that?

Okay, so San Jose has 939,000 residents (not including people missed by the census, which would easily be 61,000 residents), it still has basically no violent crime. And it's still one of the most liberal cities in America. And California is not in the top ten. Wikipedia is a credible source when credible source material is cited, which is how those numbers came about.

LA Has a lot of crime because there's a ton of people in LA who live a fast life. Drugs flow freely and as a result, the criminal element associated with Prohibition causes the vast majority of the crime. If we had more liberal policies and legalized drugs and regulated them like Alcohol, the gangs would no longer exist and a lot of the violent crime in this nation would vanish.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by leftydan6

Really? You didn't say that?

NO I didn't say that! Moderator cut: Getting rude

Okay, so San Jose has 939,000 residents (not including people missed by the census, which would easily be 61,000 residents), it still has basically no violent crime. And it's still one of the most liberal cities in America.

So what? San Diego isn't as liberal and has a crime rate just as low. Some of the safest cities in America are also some of the most conservative as well.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/calif...-rankings.html
Again what is your point with the "liberal" cities thing?? It doesn't make a city any safer or any more dangerous from what I can tell. Detroit has been ranked as the most liberal city in America and look at its crime rate.

LA Has a lot of crime because there's a ton of people in LA who live a fast life. Drugs flow freely and as a result, the criminal element associated with Prohibition causes the vast majority of the crime. If we had more liberal policies and legalized drugs and regulated them like Alcohol, the gangs would no longer exist and a lot of the violent crime in this nation would vanish.

SF has the highest illegal drug use of any major city in the nation and its crime rate is higher than LA's according to 2007 stats on this site.

Just b/c some professor tells you something doesn't make it true with regards to liberal policies reducing crime b/c there aren't really any real world examples of it I can think of in the US. If anything you can make an argument against SF's liberal criminal justice policies with all that has happened recently with that whole program refusing to turn over illegal juvenile offenders to the feds, leading to several murders b/c of it.

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by sav858

San Francisco does NOT rank near the bottom, its crime rate is up there. That list you show is very small and its from Wikipedia.

Might be posted on Wikipedia, but the stats are legitimate... "SOURCES: US Bureau of Justice Statistics (2004),[45] FBI Uniform Crime Reports (2005)[40]"
And I think you can trust me on that, considering what I do for a living.

Also the CITY of Houston is NOT that conservative at all, the region is but not the city itself.

San Jose doesn't have 1,000,000 people either and the title for safest city over 1 million in the US belongs to San Diego, which many consider a conservative city, although its really moderate overall.

And CA ranks in the Top 10 most dangerous states as well.

There are only 50 states, and California is one of the largest... so of course it ranks in the top 10.

What exactly is your point BTW?? I never claimed that the Bay Area has a high crime rate b/c its "liberal" policies, I just was saying maybe people should stop patting themselves on the back for claiming to be so "socially progressive" when the Bay Area has the same social problems as everywhere else. You can find examples of liberal and conservative cities that have high crime rates and some that have low crime rates which is why I don't really think it makes much of a difference how "conservative" or "liberal" a city or region is overall.

Every city has its social problems, unfortunately... but I have lived in other cities/states, and feel safer in the Bay Area than most others. And I live in the worst part of SF, for crying out loud! Btw, what does social progress have to do with crime? And are you referring to reported crime stats, or what is actually happening on the streets? If anything, being "socially progressive" will add to minor crimes, since we are more lenient about things like smoking weed & drinking in public. But when it comes to murder and burglary, for example, I doubt the Bay Area ranks that high.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by gizmo980

There are only 50 states, and California is one of the largest... so of course it ranks in the top 10.

And Alaska one of the smallest in terms of population and it ranks in the Top 10. That Top 10 ranking is based on a PER CAPITA RATE like almost all crime stats, which takes into account size

Every city has its social problems, unfortunately... but I have lived in other cities/states, and feel safer in the Bay Area than most others. And I live in the worst part of SF, for crying out loud! Btw, what does social progress have to do with crime? And are you referring to reported crime stats, or what is actually happening on the streets? If anything, being "socially progressive" will add to minor crimes, since we are more lenient about things like smoking weed & drinking in public. But when it comes to crimes like murder and burglary, I highly doubt the Bay Area ranks that high.

I feel safer in San Diego than I do in the Bay Area and the stats back that up. And when some of the other places you've lived are STOCKTON then of course the Bay Area will feel safer comparatively.

I'm referring to the attitude about the Bay Area being so far ahead of other places socially when its not, it still has all the same social problems as elsewhere, which is what my point is. Basically some people don't have a reason to be as smug as they are sometimes with regards to that.

If you think the Bay Area doesn't rank high for murder and burglary then look at the stats. But if you don't want to look at the stats then look at what is happening on the streets of the East Bay with all the high profile robberies in good neighborhoods or 3 innocent members of a family being murdered for no good reason thanks to SF's "sanctuary" policy.