Style and Dressing in SF (The City) (Glendale, Napa: rent, lease)

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by gizmo980

LOL... my eyebrows are very light red (almost strawberry-blond), and I pencil them in with light brown when I'm dressed up. Makes my eyes pop!

my eyebrows are reddish brown but somewhat thick but Ive never tweezed 'em or penciled them cause I think men who do that look too girly, and this q*eer wants his man to have a natural brow

[palermodude]

I am talking about fashion here, not top model bodies - one does not need to be a toothpick to wear sexy clothes, or figure flattering clothes. Plus, one can do it professionally as well. I have seen many women in Europe who were not toothpicks, looking very sexy, and very professional. European women do it all of the time. I have a high-powered lawyer friend in Chicago, who only wears fashionable figure forming suits to work, and she looks stunning. A true fashionista, who is making a lot of $$$$$$.

My European friends say that many American women use the professionalism argument as an excuse to hide the fact that they feel self-conscious about their own bodies, or that they don't like to be stared at or admired, which is an excuse as well, because it's not the problem of the guy who is doing the admiring, it's the subjective perception of the woman. A confident woman does not care if men are staring at her. I met several women in Paris who were so intimidated by the way women dressed at work there, they tried to find every excuse in the book to convince me that the American way of dressing was the more professional.

I was certainly not convinced, and I still am not. The problem with women who are not fashionable is within themselves, not society. One can be both sexy and professional at the same time. A woman can also be sexy, even if she chooses not to. Finally a woman who does not embrace her femininity in the workplace has other issues as well, but they are mostly still internal - not society-based.

How many times have you heard a woman say "I'd love to dress stylish, professional, and sexy at work, but the American culture does not accept it"...

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

my eyebrows are reddish brown but somewhat thick but Ive never tweezed 'em or penciled them cause I think men who do that look too girly, and this q*eer wants his man to have a natural brow

LOL... it has to be done right, or like somebody else said, you can end up looking like Groucho Marx. The trick is to use a color just a BIT darker than your natural one, and lightly brush it over the eyebrows - then rub it in with a q-tip or eyebrow brush. Looks nice even on men, if it's done correctly!

How did we get from fashion to eyebrows, btw?? Back to the original topic, does anyone here actually own "winter clothes?" My mother recently said she "switched her closet over for winter," and I was very confused for a minute... she grew up in Philadelphia, and has a much larger wardrobe than I do, so I guess that's not weird for her. But isn't this odd for most Californians? The only things I change between seasons are my shoes (from sandals/clogs to boots) and maybe my jacket - of course SF has very temperate weather, so maybe it's different in other parts of CA.

[ImRandy]

Originally Posted by palermodude

How many times have you heard a woman say "I'd love to dress stylish, professional, and sexy at work, but the American culture does not accept it"...

Actually, never.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by ImRandy

Actually, never.

Me neither.

[ImRandy]

Originally Posted by gizmo980

...does anyone here actually own "winter clothes?"

Do heavier weight wool suits and the stuff I wear to the snow count? Granted I've rarely worn the heavier suits because people really crank the heat up during the "winter" but I have them. Aside from that absolutely nothing changes during the different seasons. Mostly because I don't own that much clothing. My relatives in the Midwest on the other hand definitely have a winter wardrobe. It gets packed up in the spring and brought out just before Thanksgiving. I never could stand being around there when the winter clothes came out. The whole house would smell like cedar and mothballs. gag

[UB50]

I would think, with all the hills in SF, the "business suit with tennis shoes" look would be popular for women in certain districts? This is not to say they wear tennis shoes all day -- they usually keep the high heels at their desk and wear the tennis shoes on the street.

???

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by gizmo980

LOL... it has to be done right, or like somebody else said, you can end up looking like Groucho Marx. The trick is to use a color just a BIT darker than your natural one, and lightly brush it over the eyebrows - then rub it in with a q-tip or eyebrow brush. Looks nice even on men, if it's done correctly!

Ever been to Bare Escentuals? My neighbor here swears by them so this year Im buying all the females on my x-mas list make up from their store in Berkeley..anyway since my bf and I were there we tooled around with some of their stuff, its really nice.

How did we get from fashion to eyebrows, btw?? Back to the original topic, does anyone here actually own "winter clothes?" My mother recently said she "switched her closet over for winter," and I was very confused for a minute... she grew up in Philadelphia, and has a much larger wardrobe than I do, so I guess that's not weird for her. But isn't this odd for most Californians? The only things I change between seasons are my shoes (from sandals/clogs to boots) and maybe my jacket - of course SF has very temperate weather, so maybe it's different in other parts of CA.

I love being able to wear a jacket all year long-because by nature I tend to dress up its not out of place. Especially now during the holidays when there are literally parties to attend seemingly every night, I notice that women here accessorize really well.

For example, I went to this thing over in El Cerrito yesterday evening where this guy whose like Oprah's favorite cake maker from the Napa Valley had samples of his cakes and pastries(to-die-for), anyway, many women made a relatively simple dress come to life with the perfect shawl or perfect necklace. One thing about the Bay Area and looking fashionable is that people tend to make simplicity a major factor when going formal. Simple accents make all the difference.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by UB50

I would think, with all the hills in SF, the "business suit with tennis shoes" look would be popular for women in certain districts? This is not to say they wear tennis shoes all day -- they usually keep the high heels at their desk and wear the tennis shoes on the street.

???

Ya know,
I noticed a lot more of that 10 years ago than I do now. I see more flats nowadays than tennis shoes. I also see more high heels that look great but are probably hell to walk in.

[ladysrodgers]

Originally Posted by palermodude

I am talking about fashion here, not top model bodies - one does not need to be a toothpick to wear sexy clothes, or figure flattering clothes. Plus, one can do it professionally as well. I have seen many women in Europe who were not toothpicks, looking very sexy, and very professional. European women do it all of the time. I have a high-powered lawyer friend in Chicago, who only wears fashionable figure forming suits to work, and she looks stunning. A true fashionista, who is making a lot of $$$$$$.

My European friends say that many American women use the professionalism argument as an excuse to hide the fact that they feel self-conscious about their own bodies, or that they don't like to be stared at or admired, which is an excuse as well, because it's not the problem of the guy who is doing the admiring, it's the subjective perception of the woman. A confident woman does not care if men are staring at her. I met several women in Paris who were so intimidated by the way women dressed at work there, they tried to find every excuse in the book to convince me that the American way of dressing was the more professional.

I was certainly not convinced, and I still am not. The problem with women who are not fashionable is within themselves, not society. One can be both sexy and professional at the same time. A woman can also be sexy, even if she chooses not to. Finally a woman who does not embrace her femininity in the workplace has other issues as well, but they are mostly still internal - not society-based.

How many times have you heard a woman say "I'd love to dress stylish, professional, and sexy at work, but the American culture does not accept it"...

Your European friends don't know what they're talking about. I don't know why you keep commenting on sexy......but I don't go to work to be sexy for men to oogle over. I go to work, to work......not put on a show.

Your last sentence is simply asinine.