San Fran or L.A? (Los Angeles, San Jose: live, cost of living, law)

[getshorty]

Since California offers every possible type of living that you can have in this country, well then maybe you should try life on Mars

Originally Posted by stickybit

they both suck.

SF, and its suburbs within a 30-minute BART ride (except for S. Oakland, which is a ghetto), are too damned cold. (Half the summer it looks and feels like winter.)

And LA is too polluted and spread out.

I'm trying to decide which area to live in, and I can't because I don't really like either one. That leaves San Jose/Silicon Valley, but it's too boring. (Sacramento is too hot in the summer, and extra boring.) San Diego? Weather's very nice, but no--just too far in the corner.

[pistola916]

Originally Posted by stickybit

they both suck.

SF, and its suburbs within a 30-minute BART ride (except for S. Oakland, which is a ghetto), are too damned cold. (Half the summer it looks and feels like winter.)

And LA is too polluted and spread out.

I'm trying to decide which area to live in, and I can't because I don't really like either one. That leaves San Jose/Silicon Valley, but it's too boring. (Sacramento is too hot in the summer, and extra boring.) San Diego? Weather's very nice, but no--just too far in the corner.

Picky, picky, picky. Maybe you should get out of California.

[Palmer Eldritch]

It's too bright in LA. Outside of that I like it. It's weird and entertaining at the same time.

[stickybit]

Originally Posted by pistola916

Picky, picky, picky. Maybe you should get out of California.

I'm just sayin' they each have drawbacks about a major factor in liking where you live. And contrary to what getshorty wrote, California doesn't have every kind of living there is...

SF has the dense big-city, exciting feel to it (and it's the only city in CA that does, really) but it's cold and windy virtually all the time. NY, OTOH, has 4 real seasons, like many big cities in the rest of the U.S. So, the sunny (warm) California weather is plentifully available all over the State, except SF. So we don't have the mix of great weather and city.

It's too bad they didn't put more effort into engineering (designing) LA--it could be so much better.

[Palmer Eldritch]

Originally Posted by stickybit

it's cold and windy virtually all the time.

Not true at all. It's in the 70s with sunshine as I write this.

[getshorty]

So you're saying that California doesn't experience 4 real seasons You're saying that we don't get winter, spring, summer, fall? Contrary to what you think, yes we do. It's just not extreme cold or heat. Who wants to live like that anyway? However, if extreme weather is what you want California has that too. Go up to Lake Tahoe, Squaw Valley, Big Bear during winter and tell me what you see. Visit the Mojave (hottest place in the U.S.) Palm Springs, Sacramento County, San Fernando Valley during the middle of summer and watch yourself turn to a prune. The beauty of California is that you have options unlike the rest of the U.S. The folks that live in winter wonderlands in California has the option to spend a day in mild weather (or even on a beach) by just a short drive. You won't have that option in NYC or anywhere else

Originally Posted by stickybit

I'm just sayin' they each have drawbacks about a major factor in liking where you live. And contrary to what getshorty wrote, California doesn't have every kind of living there is...

SF has the dense big-city, exciting feel to it (and it's the only city in CA that does, really) but it's cold and windy virtually all the time. NY, OTOH, has 4 real seasons, like many big cities in the rest of the U.S. So, the sunny (warm) California weather is plentifully available all over the State, except SF. So we don't have the mix of great weather and city.

It's too bad they didn't put more effort into engineering (designing) LA--it could be so much better.

[tkindred]

OK, after saying that SF has a lot of pot heads, homeless, homosexuals and lisbions I have found the proof in my observations. I think these are the reasons you either "fit in" or you don't here in SF.

"The San Francisco metropolitan area has a higher percentage of people who are regular drug users than any other major metropolitan area in the USA, a study from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration found. Nearly 13% of San Francisco residents reported using some type of illicit drug, such as marijuana, cocaine or heroin, in the previous month, according to data from the National Surveys on Drug Use and Health 2002-05. The national average is 8.1%.
Other areas with drug-abuse rates higher than the national average included Seattle, 9.6%"


S.F. area is No. 1 for regular drug use, study says - USATODAY.com

12.9% in Seattle are gay or bisexual, second only to S.F., study says.
Among the 50 largest U.S. cities, Seattle is second only to San Francisco in the percentage of residents identifying themselves as gay, lesbian or bisexual, a new study reports.
A researcher used census and other government statistics to offer an estimate of a segment of the population in cities, metropolitan areas and congressional districts nationwide whose size has only been guessed in the past.
The study reports found that 12.9 percent of Seattle residents — roughly 57,900 people — identified themselves as gay, lesbian or bisexual. In San Francisco, 15.4 percent of residents identified themselves as gay, lesbian or bisexual.


The Seattle Times: Local News: 12.9% in Seattle are gay or bisexual, second only to S.F., study says


Homelessness has been a chronic and controversial problem for San Francisco since the early 1980s. The city is believed to have the highest number of homeless inhabitants per capita of any major U.S. city.[115][116]

San Francisco, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[stickybit]

Originally Posted by getshorty

So you're saying that California doesn't experience 4 real seasons You're saying that we don't get winter, spring, summer, fall? Contrary to what you think, yes we do. It's just not extreme cold or heat.

No...OMG, can't you read? I said there's nowhere in California that has the COMBINATION of 4 seasons and an urban city feel. SF is the only real dense, urban city of decent size, and it's seasons are, essentially, Spring, Winter, Spring, Winter. I've lived in SF and in Berkeley, as well as the Sacramento Valley and in LA briefly. The summer is almost always foggy and cold in SF. August, September and part of October are the summery part (but still relatively cold), and the Fall is about 3 weeks long. And it's cold every night of the year except for about 10 or 15 days.

[user376]

Originally Posted by stickybit

SF, and its suburbs within a 30-minute BART ride (except for S. Oakland, which is a ghetto), are too damned cold. (Half the summer it looks and feels like winter.)

WTF? Summer is not cold anywhere in the east bay, even right by the bay in places like Emeryville. It's not summery, but it's t-shirt weather most of the day, so definitely not wintery. Besides bay area summers are just delayed a few months--September/October are warmer than June/July.

[Aimee11]

Originally Posted by tkindred

Revision -- this morning I was reminded that some of the MEN here are strange too. I was riding my bike up to Tildon Park in East Bay and this black cyclist passed me ( I am also black). He looked like he was putting forth a good effort but wasn't breathing to hard to talk. I said good morning and he didn't even aknowledge I was there. Just looked straight ahead. So that pissed me off because I thought maybe he had an attitude like he was some sort of elite cyclist so I caught him and passed him at a pretty fast pace (I was on a racing team in the past). He tried to catch me but he couldn't. At the top of the ridge I waited for him to tell him it was a good climb. He said nothing again. Just kept cycling by. And this HAS happened to me on several occasions. here. In other places I have had my bike other cyclists are friendly. I've cycled in many different states and countries.

These things have happened to me WAY more than any other city I have been on EARTH! And I have been to a crazy amount of cities globally on numerous occasions. Sometimes I asked some of these people here if they speak English when they do not respond to me to be a smart _ss. But still, no reaction, just blank, staring ahead. I often wonder if this is a learned behavior. I assume perhaps they are not well traveled because if they were they would understand that that sort of behavior is rather strange.

I do not generalize and usually do give people the benefit of the doubt most of the time, but seriously if somebody just flat out ignored me and I KNEW thats what they were doing, i'd completely tell them off!!! That is one of the most utterly disrespectful things you can do to someone! I used to have an awful job of getting people to sign petitions. I can take rejection and still be friendly, but one time a girl completely flat out ignored me(and this was just while i was working) and i seriously don't know what kept me from telling her off, maybe cause it was my job....no probably not, i still would have if i went back in time. I still get mad about it when i think of it. I can't imagine that happening when i was just plain being friendly. People need to know they are being completely disrespectful and it's NOT acceptable. I'm not saying to get in a fight or make a huge deal of every slight, but that is competely disrespectful! That guy obviously felt superior to you and who is he to feel superior??? Sorry but that just infuriates me!! People who are that arrogant aren't only extremely rude, but they are just plain ignorant and delusional as well for thinking they ARE better than anyone.......sorry for my rant. Ok i'm done.