Just how bad is Oakland???

[18Montclair]

Oakland neighborhoods dont do so bad compared to those elsewhere as far as income goes...

By Median Household Income

Northwest Hills
Sea Cliff, SF $144,035
Hiller Highlands/ Panoramic Hill $133,272
Piedmont Pines $116,633
Claremont $115,610
Brentwood, LA $114,789
Sheperd Canyon $105,767
Montclair $102,248
Malibu, CA $102,031
Glen Highlands $101,888
Merriewood $101,545
Forestland $99,262
Moraga, CA $98,080
Upper Rockridge $97,646
Pacific Heights, SF $91,573
Oakmore $79,410

Southwest Hills
Crestmont/ Woodminster $88,812
Georgetown, Washington DC $88,665
Torrey Pines, SD $87,742
Caballo Hills $87,686
Leona Heights $87,686
Skyline-Hillcrest Estates $87,686
Tribeca, NYC $87,125
Marina, SF $85,903
Sequoyah $85,648
Upper East Side, NYC $83,698
Hawaii Kai, Honolulu $80,321
Chabot Park $76,764
Upper West Side, NYC $73,836
Sheffield Village $73,229
Buckhead, Atlanta $71,916
Hollywood Hills, LA $71,717
Westwood, LA $70,177

Lower Hills
Crocker Highlands $106,217
Calabasas, CA $93,860
Trestle Glen $89,220
Beverly Glen, LA $77,047
Willow Glen, SJ $69,538
Lincoln Highlands $68,432
Back Bay, Boston $68,337
Upper Dimond $66,541
Russian Hill, SF $65,598
Lincoln Park, Chicago $63,738
Glenview $58,986
Redwood Heights $58,863
Queen Anne, Seattle, $57,927
Lakeshore $51,659
Nob Hill, SF $49,361
Grand Lake $43,865

North Oakland
Beverly Hills, CA $70,945
Rockridge $66,350
North Beach, SF $64,078
SoHo, NYC $63,845
Chestnut Hill, Philadelphia $58,809
Shafter $58,663
Fairview Park $58,405
Albany, CA $54,919
Dupont Circle, Washington DC $52,546
Piedmont Ave $42,757
Bushrod $38,773
Temescal $38,530
Little Italy, NYC $36,347
Mosswood $35,749
Paradise Park $33,100
Golden Gate $32,094
Santa Fe $30,587
Gaskill $29,338
Longfellow $27,290
Boyle Heights, LA $26,223

West Oakland
South Prescott $50,208
Pico/ Roberston LA, $41,668
McClymonds $27,095
Clawson $26,319
Williamsburg, NYC $24,407
Prescott $22,748
Watts, LA $21,800
Ralph Bunch $21,638
Hoover/ Foster $19,824
Oak Center $18,807
Acorn/ Acorn Industrial $15,824

Central/ Chinatown
Adams Point $41,561
Oakland Av/ Harrison St $32,340
Civic Center/ Lakeside/ Lake Merritt $30,470
Downtown, Seattle $25,759
Chinatown, SF $20,607
Pill Hill $18,644
Downtown $15,341
Chinatown $14,283
Five Points, Atlanta $12,882
San Pablo Gateway $10,268

San Antonio
Cleveland Heights $43,239
Bella Vista $36,918
Lynn/ Highland Park $34,917
Tuxedo $34,580
Merritt $34,386
Ivy Hill $33,798
Clinton $30,817
Highland Terrace $30,721
Reservoir Hill/ Meadow Brook $30,519
Rancho San Antonio $28,677
Oak Tree $28,348
East Peralta $27,318

Fruitvale
Jefferson/ Harrington $39,868
Sausal Creek $36,286
Dimond/ School $36,262
Laurel $36,080
Allendale $35,875
North/ South Kennedy Tract/ Fruitvale Station $34,363
Bartlett/ Patten/ Peralta/ Hacienda $34,283
Hawthorne $33,277
St Elizabeth $31,094

Central East Oakland
Maxwell Park $47,184
Los Feliz, LA $46,113
Frick $41,746
Montrose, Houston $41,289
Millsmont $38,611
Fairfax $35,625
Hegenberger $35,096
Seminary $30,922
West Adams, LA $29,615
Melrose $29,470
Lockwood/ Tevis $26,384
Coliseum $25,903
Harlem, NYC $21,446

Elmhurst
South of Market, SF $59,644
Oak Knoll/ Golf Links $56,063
Mar Vista, LA $52,596
Eastmont Hills $51,944
Toler Heights $48,401
Midtown, Atlanta $48,140
Silver Lake, LA $44,949
Durant Manor $40,787
Foothill Square $39,716
Palms, LA $38,747
Logan Square, Chicago $37,298
Las Palmas $37,215
Elmhurst Park $35,298
Iveywood $35,224
Arroyo Viejo $33,266
North/ South Stonehurst $33,092
Eastmont $32,304
Webster $31,385
Highland $30,539
Fitchburg $29,984
Brookfield Village $29,781
Cox $28,696
Castlemont $28,249
Germantown, Philadelphia $27,222
Woodland $25,692

[athleticsfan72737489]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Oakland neighborhoods dont do so bad compared to those elsewhere as far as income goes...

By Median Household Income

Northwest Hills
Sea Cliff, SF $144,035
Hiller Highlands/ Panoramic Hill $133,272
Piedmont Pines $116,633
Claremont $115,610
Brentwood, LA $114,789
Sheperd Canyon $105,767
Montclair $102,248
Malibu, CA $102,031
Glen Highlands $101,888
Merriewood $101,545
Forestland $99,262
Moraga, CA $98,080
Upper Rockridge $97,646
Pacific Heights, SF $91,573
Oakmore $79,410

Southwest Hills
Crestmont/ Woodminster $88,812
Georgetown, Washington DC $88,665
Torrey Pines, SD $87,742
Caballo Hills $87,686
Leona Heights $87,686
Skyline-Hillcrest Estates $87,686
Tribeca, NYC $87,125
Marina, SF $85,903
Sequoyah $85,648
Upper East Side, NYC $83,698
Hawaii Kai, Honolulu $80,321
Chabot Park $76,764
Upper West Side, NYC $73,836
Sheffield Village $73,229
Buckhead, Atlanta $71,916
Hollywood Hills, LA $71,717
Westwood, LA $70,177

Lower Hills
Crocker Highlands $106,217
Calabasas, CA $93,860
Trestle Glen $89,220
Beverly Glen, LA $77,047
Willow Glen, SJ $69,538
Lincoln Highlands $68,432
Back Bay, Boston $68,337
Upper Dimond $66,541
Russian Hill, SF $65,598
Lincoln Park, Chicago $63,738
Glenview $58,986
Redwood Heights $58,863
Queen Anne, Seattle, $57,927
Lakeshore $51,659
Nob Hill, SF $49,361
Grand Lake $43,865

North Oakland
Beverly Hills, CA $70,945
Rockridge $66,350
North Beach, SF $64,078
SoHo, NYC $63,845
Chestnut Hill, Philadelphia $58,809
Shafter $58,663
Fairview Park $58,405
Albany, CA $54,919
Dupont Circle, Washington DC $52,546
Piedmont Ave $42,757
Bushrod $38,773
Temescal $38,530
Little Italy, NYC $36,347
Mosswood $35,749
Paradise Park $33,100
Golden Gate $32,094
Santa Fe $30,587
Gaskill $29,338
Longfellow $27,290
Boyle Heights, LA $26,223

West Oakland
South Prescott $50,208
Pico/ Roberston LA, $41,668
McClymonds $27,095
Clawson $26,319
Williamsburg, NYC $24,407
Prescott $22,748
Watts, LA $21,800
Ralph Bunch $21,638
Hoover/ Foster $19,824
Oak Center $18,807
Acorn/ Acorn Industrial $15,824

Central/ Chinatown
Adams Point $41,561
Oakland Av/ Harrison St $32,340
Civic Center/ Lakeside/ Lake Merritt $30,470
Downtown, Seattle $25,759
Chinatown, SF $20,607
Pill Hill $18,644
Downtown $15,341
Chinatown $14,283
Five Points, Atlanta $12,882
San Pablo Gateway $10,268

San Antonio
Cleveland Heights $43,239
Bella Vista $36,918
Lynn/ Highland Park $34,917
Tuxedo $34,580
Merritt $34,386
Ivy Hill $33,798
Clinton $30,817
Highland Terrace $30,721
Reservoir Hill/ Meadow Brook $30,519
Rancho San Antonio $28,677
Oak Tree $28,348
East Peralta $27,318

Fruitvale
Jefferson/ Harrington $39,868
Sausal Creek $36,286
Dimond/ School $36,262
Laurel $36,080
Allendale $35,875
North/ South Kennedy Tract/ Fruitvale Station $34,363
Bartlett/ Patten/ Peralta/ Hacienda $34,283
Hawthorne $33,277
St Elizabeth $31,094

Central East Oakland
Maxwell Park $47,184
Los Feliz, LA $46,113
Frick $41,746
Montrose, Houston $41,289
Millsmont $38,611
Fairfax $35,625
Hegenberger $35,096
Seminary $30,922
West Adams, LA $29,615
Melrose $29,470
Lockwood/ Tevis $26,384
Coliseum $25,903
Harlem, NYC $21,446

Elmhurst
South of Market, SF $59,644
Oak Knoll/ Golf Links $56,063
Mar Vista, LA $52,596
Eastmont Hills $51,944
Toler Heights $48,401
Midtown, Atlanta $48,140
Silver Lake, LA $44,949
Durant Manor $40,787
Foothill Square $39,716
Palms, LA $38,747
Logan Square, Chicago $37,298
Las Palmas $37,215
Elmhurst Park $35,298
Iveywood $35,224
Arroyo Viejo $33,266
North/ South Stonehurst $33,092
Eastmont $32,304
Webster $31,385
Highland $30,539
Fitchburg $29,984
Brookfield Village $29,781
Cox $28,696
Castlemont $28,249
Germantown, Philadelphia $27,222
Woodland $25,692

Interesting information, 18Montclair. Where did you get this from?

I'm surprised that Frick has a higher average income than Millsmont and Adams Point.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by athleticsfan72737489

Interesting information, 18Montclair. Where did you get this from?

I'm surprised that Frick has a higher average income than Millsmont and Adams Point.

zillow.com

you can get demographic info by city/neighborhood.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by athleticsfan72737489

Interesting information, 18Montclair. Where did you get this from?

I'm surprised that Frick has a higher average income than Millsmont and Adams Point.

As far as Adams Point, there are a lot of singles whose households obviously earn less...that's my guess.

As far as Millsmont, I dunno. Frick has always been one of the areas I like in that direction of town cause the homes are so well kept-same with Millsmont.

[ssmaster]

adams point has a lot of rentals and apartment buildings.people who can buy a home usually make more than renters.

[artemis78]

Well, and more specifically, Adams Point, which is one of Oakland's densest neighborhoods, has a lot of studios and one-bedroom rentals and condos, which are far more likely to be occupied by a single person versus a couple or family; a one-person household generally makes less than a household of two, as 18Montclair points out.

[gracemleone]

Originally Posted by bayarea-girl

baybook, how would the op know if someone is a current resident or not? Or if someone moved for positive and or negative experiences? Any poster should get feedback from all angels, and visit and make a decision for themselves and not base decisions from feedback they get from strangers on the internet.

I am not looking to base my decisions on feedback I get from strangers on the internet.
I am looking for reccomendations and looking for info or areas that I might not have known before.
I am here to ge reccomendations and do some research about the things I hear, then go look and see for myself, not just base my decision on what people say.
Also, it really is a good idea to get reccomendations and information from people who actually live there now, rather than people who just pass by on their way to work like I do. I wouldn't be able to give advice about Oakland, and I wouldn't want the advice of someone who doesn't know much about the area except the negative image it has.

[gracemleone]

Originally Posted by bigdave01

If I were you I would look around the Lake Merritt area. It has some cheap rentals and has some cool neighborhoods, Grand Lakeshore, Adams Point, etc.

Jus curious, do people read the OP?
Not looking for a rental, looking to purchase a house.

[l'étranger]

Dear 18Montclair:

I would like to thank you for your consistently judicious and excellently annotated posts regarding Oakland. As you might know, the moderator rebuked two of my vituperative but historically accurate posts responding to one of the right-leaning bigots on this thread. Evidently, the moderator can allow such participants to engage in calumnies, red herring logical fallacies, and thinly disguised ad hominems, so long as no one responds in kind but armed with the facts.

No matter. I will repost my point-by-point refutation sans naming the bigoted miscreant. Let one be clear: one defines a bigot as a person who obstinately or intolerantly holds to his or her own prejudiced opinions despite the wealth of information available to contradict said opinions.

You, sir, have demonstrated that befitting any important American city, Oakland is a city of sharp contrasts. Racism (per Omi and Winant's studies) and economic structures (per William Julius Wilson's ground-breaking works) have scared Oakland's marginalized neighborhoods. Yet the city still boasts very wealthy areas, gracious neighborhoods, and interesting architecture. The city's cultural life has produced noted classical conductors (Calvin Simmons), iconic film stars (Tom Hanks), ground-breaking rock/funk fusionists ( Sly and the Family Stone/Graham Central Station), Rap/Hip Hop figures, not to mention the "garden variety" Henry J. Kaiser, Catherine Asaro, Julia Morgan, and Jack London.

Upon presenting photographs of Lake Merritt's lush parks, fountains, and among the Bay Area's the finest examples of beaux-arts and art-deco buildings, one such detractor claims against all evidence that said park is "too gritty." This is bigotry in action.

When presented photographs of gracious Oakland neighborhoods composed of leafy streets, Julia Morgan homes and estates, said detractor(s) resort to the red herring so as to avoid confronting the very evidence of Oakland's considerable wealth, cultural capital, not to mention gracious quality of life that exists side-by-side with the darker aspects of American civilization. And do these contrasts not reveal themselves in such cities as New York? Los Angeles? Chicago? Boston? San Francisco?

In this, 18Montclair, you do the readers great good in that you refute bigotry with facts. How convenient for those who claim to live in affluent "Granite Bay," or other such monied honey traps for philistines and bigots, to deny, dissemble, and distract. But we know why: what might it say for such detractors to confront these most inconvenient truths, (1) The supposed multi-cultural "Hell Hole" of Oakland actually has wealthier, better educated neighborhoods than than the racially segregated, culturally bereft suburbs to where the narrow of mind and large of animus flee 2) that the ideologies of racial and class exclusivity that undergird the gated communities far flung from the hurly burly of civilization–––multicultural by definition, and full of contrasts, injustices, absurdities, dangers, and delights since and before the eternal city, ancient Rome––– and all of its discontents are undermined, utterly.

Thus, this note of thanks. In presenting Oakland that refutes the bigoted myths of its detractors in no way denies the city's problems and tragedies, but rather forces the educated, the intelligent, and the fair-minded to reconsider his or her preconceptions. 18Montclair, you might be opening a window to the very excellent qualities of Oakland, but you are, ironically, holding up a mirror to our own beliefs and the society we have built upon them. The very contrasts, the very beauty of Oakland as well as its ugly, tragic mean streets are none other than those of the nation's. To denigrate and smear Oakland is , on one hand, a way to deny, to project away from one's own self and one's own perceived society an accounting of truth as it is regarding both.

And that is the final irony. That one can even open a thread title, "Just how bad is Oakland?" reveals how desperately some of us are to disguise the real question, "Just how bad is MY community...and just how bad am I for allowing it to be this way?"

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Fruitvale is okay to me. The Coliseum Area not so much. I have lots of relatives that live by there and they seem to be fine but that's just not my cup-a-tea. I say go and see for yourself and you decide.Take a look at the area that surrounds the Merritt Restaurant and Bakery at the southwestern end of Lake Merritt. Its a big mix of grit and hip thesedays with a smattering of immigrants.

I would mostly agree with this. The basic rule I use when past Lake Merritt is, stay east of Foothill blvd for the most part.