4 Oakland Officers Killed (stores, move, food)

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by City Boy

The ones who can get decent grades and who do get to go to college are few and far in between. Not everybody can learn when you have numerous obstacles. Not everybody in the ghetto comes from 1 parent house holds either. I'm willing to bet the ones who do succeed are the exception to their environment. Blacks moving to the suburbs today is nothing like white flight. It's easy to say get over it and pull yourself up by your boot straps when you're not in that situation.

I have said it before and will again, then I think I will bow out of this conversation: many inter city kids are born with 2 strikes against them, this doesn't mean it can not be done. .As for ghetto kids and single parents, we all know a large percentage of them do come from 1 parent homes or only one parent being around, the other either in prison or just gone period. Some have parents or a parent working 2 jobs, many have parents not working at all, but living on welfare. Many come from families with too many kids or moms that became parents while still just kids themselves. Too break the cycle isn't easy..but I will repeat, it can be done..blacks moving out of the inter city to the burbs is very similar to White Flight, it is the attempt to get away from crime, poverty, and yes, bad schools..

Yes, we do have to get over it, if you want to put it that way, because if we don't move on the problems will always be there. No one can go back and fix what was done 100 years ago, 50 years ago or even 20 years ago. It is over...and blaming so much on the past is pointless, unproductive and not really the issue in the first place.

Nita

[City Boy]

Originally Posted by nmnita

I have said it before and will again, then I think I will bow out of this conversation: many inter city kids are born with 2 strikes against them, this doesn't mean it can not be done. .As for ghetto kids and single parents, we all know a large percentage of them do come from 1 parent homes or only one parent being around, the other either in prison or just gone period. Some have parents or a parent working 2 jobs, many have parents not working at all, but living on welfare. Many come from families with too many kids or moms that became parents while still just kids themselves. Too break the cycle isn't easy..but I will repeat, it can be done..blacks moving out of the inter city to the burbs is very similar to White Flight, it is the attempt to get away from crime, poverty, and yes, bad schools..

Yes, we do have to get over it, if you want to put it that way, because if we don't move on the problems will always be there. No one can go back and fix what was done 100 years ago, 50 years ago or even 20 years ago. It is over...and blaming so much on the past is pointless, unproductive and not really the issue in the first place.

Nita

You obviously do not know about white flight. You can't get over something when there are no solutions to the problem in place. This is real life, you cant just say get over it without offering a solution to the problem.

[iTsLiKeAnEgG]

Originally Posted by MrSykes

Given the rampant amount of housing discrimination that still takes place against black folks here, I'm not sure that's entirely accurate.

Well again, housing discrimination is not part of this equation. We lived in the ghetto among people of color. My mother worked hard for years and saved enough to secure a mortgage. No where along this path did another white person with a big heart offer us an advantage not offered to others. Am I saying that racism or discrimination doesn’t exist? Of course not, that would be a ridiculous statement. The severity of these instances also varies greatly depending on where in the country you live. The Bay Area is a great place to be a minority and anyone willing to try hard enough can succeed. The other (larger) portion of people who give up, take a government check and sit on their bottoms while complaining about inequalities and injustice instead of working towards something better are just lazy. I've cited my personal example, and I know many Asian and Indian families who also came here dirt poor and built something good for themselves. My mother just bought a beautiful place in the Oakland hills and our neighbors on both sides are black. They worked hard and got somewhere.

[City Boy]

Originally Posted by iTsLiKeAnEgG

Well again, housing discrimination is not part of this equation. We lived in the ghetto among people of color. My mother worked hard for years and saved enough to secure a mortgage. No where along this path did another white person with a big heart offer us an advantage not offered to others. Am I saying that racism or discrimination doesn’t exist? Of course not, that would be a ridiculous statement. The severity of these instances also varies greatly depending on where in the country you live. The Bay Area is a great place to be a minority and anyone willing to try hard enough can succeed. The other (larger) portion of people who give up, take a government check and sit on their bottoms while complaining about inequalities and injustice instead of working towards something better are just lazy. I've cited my personal example, and I know many Asian and Indian families who also came here dirt poor and built something good for themselves. My mother just bought a beautiful place in the Oakland hills and our neighbors on both sides are black. They worked hard and got somewhere.

Just because you're on welfare does not mean you "Gave up" and are lazy, Most people on welfare are working families who do not make enough money to cover all expenses to live. Using Asians as an Example of success perpetuates the Model Minority Myth. I think some of you need to go learn something about sociology and why things are the way they are.

Just because someone does not speak English and came here poor doesn't mean they were not educated in their homeland. Many of the Asians who come here have strong family and education backgrounds that fuel their success. Even in the poorest area's of Asia their education system kills what we have here and they have different family values than most Americans. They have not been disenfranchised like we have.

Just because some Blacks can make it does not mean everybody has the same drive. No two stories are the same and we are not robots, some people from broken homes need more guidance than others.

[LizzyNola]

"This is real life, you cant just say get over it without offering a solution to the problem."

What do you offer as a "solution" ?

There have always been poor people and uneducated people. Human beings for the most part try to do better no matter what their plight in life. Of the many success stories you will hear of spring from that person having been poor.

Many Black folks had been poor since slavery but they continued on in life, working hard, becoming educated, moving forward in a positive direction to make life better for their families. They did not steal, kill, and hurt others in the process. Talk about a disadvantage! Folks were taken from thier homeland, had to learn a new language/religion, and way of life like most of us have never experienced or will see in our life time, but still they continued on~

Poor black and whites have managed to survive in the past. It is what is inside of you that makes you a good person or an a--!

Sorry, I am so tired of buying into that tired old excuse of someone being poor or disadvantaged, and that being the reason they kill/hurt others!

This thug was just another low-life who was out of control, and should not have even been out on the streets!

[City Boy]

Originally Posted by LizzyNola

"This is real life, you cant just say get over it without offering a solution to the problem."

What do you offer as a "solution" ?

There have always been poor people and uneducated people. Human beings for the most part try to do better no matter what their plight in life. Of the many success stories you will hear of spring from that person having been poor.

Many Black folks had been poor since slavery but they continued on in life, working hard, becoming educated, moving forward in a positive direction to make life better for their families. They did not steal, kill, and hurt others in the process. Talk about a disadvantage! Folks were taken from thier homeland, had to learn a new language/religion, and way of life like most of us have never experienced or will see in our life time, but still they continued on~

Poor black and whites have managed to survive in the past. It is what is inside of you that makes you a good person or an a--!

Sorry, I am so tired of buying into that tired old excuse of someone being poor or disadvantaged, and that being the reason they kill/hurt others!

This thug was just another low-life who was out of control, and should not have even been out on the streets!

Where did I say being poor is an excuse for killing people? Show me where I said that. Plenty of Slaves revolted and Killed their white capture's what are you talking about? You think they all sat around like good slaves and behaved?

Your environment plays a role in your personality it's a fact. Whether you want to believe it or not.

[iTsLiKeAnEgG]

Originally Posted by City Boy

Just because you're on welfare does not mean you "Gave up" and are lazy, Most people on welfare are working families who do not make enough money to cover all expenses to live. Using Asians as an Example of success perpetuates the Model Minority Myth. I think some of you need to go learn something about sociology and why things are the way they are.

Just because someone does not speak English and came here poor doesn't mean they were not educated in their homeland. Many of the Asians who come here have strong family and education backgrounds that fuel their success. Even in the poorest area's of Asia their education system kills what we have here and they have different family values than most Americans. They have not been disenfranchised like we have.

Just because some Blacks can make it does not mean everybody has the same drive. No two stories are the same and we are not robots, some people from broken homes need more guidance than others.

I don't think I need to "go learn something about sociology" considering I've a good amount of time in ethnic studies and anthropology courses at SFSU. Being on welfare alone doesn't mean you are lazy. Food stamps fed my family for many years after our arrival in the states. Resorting to welfare as a primary means of survival without putting in the effort necessary to improve your life and remove yourself from this financial life support is lazy.

I can't argue with no two stories being the same, some people are dealt an unlucky hand that renders their attempts to better themselves futile. There is still a huge portion of people who lack the drive to overcome certain barriers that although difficult to overcome, are not out of the realm of possibility.

[City Boy]

Originally Posted by iTsLiKeAnEgG

I don't think I need "go learn something about sociology" considering I've a good amount of time in ethnic studies and anthropology courses at SFSU. Being on welfare alone doesn't mean you are lazy. Food stamps fed my family for many years after our arrival in the states. Resorting to welfare as a primary means of survival without putting in the effort necessary to improve your life and remove yourself from this financial life support is lazy.

If you did then why are you using Asians as an example of people who succeed in America?

You're living off past perceptions of welfare created by Ronald Regan. The majority of people on welfare don't sit around and collect welfare checks for doing nothing. It's just not true.

[iTsLiKeAnEgG]

Originally Posted by City Boy

If you did then why are you using Asians as an example of people who succeed in America?

You're living off past perceptions of welfare created by Ronald Regan. The majority of people on welfare don't sit around and collect welfare checks for doing nothing. It's just not true.

I'm not using Asian as some kind of blanket statement. I am referencing my own friends and their families whom I personally know. I certainly can't speak for everyone on welfare, but my experience with 1) living among people who receive welfare, going to school with them, getting to know their family and 2) working as a banker in SF's Sunnydale area and seeing these peoples general banking activity, overall demeanor and outlook on life taught me a lot. Many of them are really nice people, but its clear to me that they aren't trying very hard. You may ask what being a banker tells me about any single person other than what they make and how they spend it. I got a great deal of my enjoyment in that position genuinely speaking to people, learning as much as I can and building relationships/trust. I can't possibly understand every facet of their life, but I do get something to base my opinion on. All of my comments are just that, personal opinion. It's ok for you to believe something else but my belief is not easily swayed and my personal experience with people provides a solid foundation with which I can debate.

[Nella925]

Originally Posted by City Boy

Just because you're on welfare does not mean you "Gave up" and are lazy, Most people on welfare are working families who do not make enough money to cover all expenses to live. Using Asians as an Example of success perpetuates the Model Minority Myth. I think some of you need to go learn something about sociology and why things are the way they are.

Just because someone does not speak English and came here poor doesn't mean they were not educated in their homeland. Many of the Asians who come here have strong family and education backgrounds that fuel their success. Even in the poorest area's of Asia their education system kills what we have here and they have different family values than most Americans. They have not been disenfranchised like we have.

Just because some Blacks can make it does not mean everybody has the same drive. No two stories are the same and we are not robots, some people from broken homes need more guidance than others.

I totally agree with all you said, esp. the first part. My mom was on section 8 for 5 years (she no longer is because she finally makes enough to get by (60000+ a year). She was not lazy, she worked 2 jobs and made sure my sister and I had whatever we needed. My father even helped... But what she made, did not match her needs esp in contra costa county. So she turned to assistance...which I see nothing wrong with that. She did not sit on her butt all day, she ensured she stayed employed and moved up in her job so she would be able to get off of section 8 and be able to buy her own house. Just wanted to share that story lol