4 Oakland Officers Killed (home, neighborhoods, to buy)

[Nella925]

Originally Posted by nmnita

ok, so the family is grieving and says he wasn't a monster..My opinion and that is all it is, an opinion, grieving of course, comments like he wasn't a monster didn't need to be made. Better comments would have simply referred to the 4 dead policemen and thier families and their loss at this time...

I do get tired of hearing these things everytime a criminal does something, oh he had a terrible childhood or he really was a good kid, whatever..

Nita

well maybe they don't want their loved one to be known only for that, maybe they knew more of that person???
and maybe they dont want the finger to be pointed at them, and by saying that they are showing you that they had no idea this would have happened...

[Nella925]

Originally Posted by fizbin

I don't think this incident has anything to do with any pre-existing sides. A guy with a gun who does not want to get arrested gets pulled over and makes a (bad) decision. Things inevitably escalate. This is one guy making an f'd-up decision and that's it.

The only connection I can make is people are wondering WHY he got pulled over. If it was just a regular traffic stop, what did he do wrong to justify him being pulled over. That's the only connection I can see people making.

Either way, I think cops need to start wearing bullet proof vests or something of the sort because its just getting too dangerous.

[Nella925]

Originally Posted by sav858

This is a really sad event for Oakland and the Bay Area in general and another black eye for the city. But like many other cities with similar problems the tension between police and residents will get even worse, more shootings will happen, no one will want to get involved, shootings/murders will continue to go unsolved, etc...

Some people just need to get it through their head that when you dress and act like a little thug then people, including the police, will treat you like so. From today's SF Chronicle:

"Some young people said they distrust the police because officers unnecessarily harass them. "You can't walk down the street with a hoodie on your head, dreads on your head, without the police hassling you," said Mike Davis, 19, who lives near 74th Avenue and MacArthur Boulevard. "If you're in a car with rims or tinted windows or loud music, they're going to harass you because they've got more power.""

Oakland residents struggle with latest tragedy

Does anyone who actually sees these types of people and cars actually ever have a good opinion pop in their head when they come across it? Some of these people help contribute to their own problems with society in general but they're too stupid and stubborn to realize it. A lot of the residents in Oakland and in cities with similar problems need to take a look in the mirror a little more often b/c many times they are the root of many of the problems that plague cities these cities. You can only blame the police, govt, your mommy, etc..for so long but some people will spend their whole life doing it and doing nothing about their own life and community.

I have a lot of friends who dress in this manner, but they are harmless (have no criminal record and are actually intelligent college students).
What do you want them to dress like??? 'Skaters', 'emos', 'nerds'??? So you are saying that the way they dress justifies the way they are treated by cops??? So what if they wear hoodies, A LOT of people do, so what if their jeans are not skin tight...the way someone dresses should not warrant harassment.

[sonarrat]

Originally Posted by Nella925

well maybe they don't want their loved one to be known only for that, maybe they knew more of that person???
and maybe they dont want the finger to be pointed at them, and by saying that they are showing you that they had no idea this would have happened...

He was on parole for assault with a deadly weapon. No idea this could have happened, my ass.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by Nella925

I have a lot of friends who dress in this manner, but they are harmless (have no criminal record and are actually intelligent college students).
What do you want them to dress like??? 'Skaters', 'emos', 'nerds'??? So you are saying that the way they dress justifies the way they are treated by cops??? So what if they wear hoodies, A LOT of people do, so what if their jeans are not skin tight...the way someone dresses should not warrant harassment.

NO I am not saying it justifies people being mistreated by cops or society but I knew someone would interpret it like that. I am saying that people need to realize the way they dress and come off will affect other people's first impression and perception of you. It is what it is whether or not its right. People will judge you first based of your appearance, will they not? if you see someone dressed in a wife beater looking like a redneck do you not make some assumptions about them? When you see a person with dreads, tie dye shirts, and peace signs do you assume they are a wealthy republican who drives a hummer or do you assume they are most likely a hippie?

Yes I know there are regular people with college degrees that dress like that and I knew someone would come in and tell me "well I have a very successful friend that dresses like that so what about them?". But what about all the other people who dress like that who commit crimes? It's a stereotype but it exists for a reason.

If you don't want to be treated like a thug or criminal then don't try to dress or look like one. It's pretty simple but some people are too self entitled and thinks society should revolve around them.

[Ultrarunner]

Originally Posted by Nella925

The only connection I can make is people are wondering WHY he got pulled over. If it was just a regular traffic stop, what did he do wrong to justify him being pulled over. That's the only connection I can see people making.

Either way, I think cops need to start wearing bullet proof vests or something of the sort because its just getting too dangerous.

I've participated in several ride along programs from various Bay Area Agencies... including the OPD.

Every officer I met in uniform wears a vest... I was even issued one as a ride along observer. The problem with the vests is they only protect the area they cover.

It is my understanding that several of the officers were shot in the face/head.

I'm very familiar with the intersection where this occurred. I had my first bank account at the American Savings that used to be on that corner and I used to shop a JC Penny's across the street with my Grandmother.

There is a OPD police substation within sight...

Laws only function effectively within a law-abiding community.

It is against the law for someone on Parole to possess firearms... so the laws are already in place.

[Nella925]

Originally Posted by Ultrarunner

I've participated in several ride along programs from various Bay Area Agencies... including the OPD.

Every officer I met in uniform wears a vest... I was even issued one as a ride along observer. The problem with the vests is they only protect the area they cover.

It is my understanding that several of the officers were shot in the face/head.

I'm very familiar with the intersection where this occurred. I had my first bank account at the American Savings that used to be on that corner and I used to shop a JC Penny's across the street with my Grandmother.

There is a OPD police substation within sight...

Laws only function effectively within a law-abiding community.

It is against the law for someone on Parole to possess firearms... so the laws are already in place.

Oh okay, that makes sense, I was under the impression they might have been shot in the chest.

[rah]

Originally Posted by Nella925

Either way, I think cops need to start wearing bullet proof vests or something of the sort because its just getting too dangerous.

Cops have had "bulletproof" vests for a long time now. Most vests can't stop rifle rounds though, especially not at close range...and the guy had an assault rifle and shot them all at close range. Plus, at least a couple of the police officers were shot in the head.

[Nella925]

Originally Posted by sav858

NO I am not saying it justifies people being mistreated by cops or society but I knew someone would interpret it like that. I am saying that people need to realize the way they dress and come off will affect other people's first impression and perception of you. It is what it is whether or not its right. People will judge you first based of your appearance, will they not? if you see someone dressed in a wife beater looking like a redneck do you not make some assumptions about them? When you see a person with dreads, tie dye shirts, and peace signs do you assume they are a wealthy republican who drives a hummer or do you assume they are most likely a hippie?

Yes I know there are regular people with college degrees that dress like that and I knew someone would come in and tell me "well I have a very successful friend that dresses like that so what about them?". But what about all the other people who dress like that who commit crimes? It's a stereotype but it exists for a reason.

If you don't want to be treated like a thug or criminal then don't try to dress or look like one. It's pretty simple but some people are too self entitled and thinks society should revolve around them.

Ok, I was just replying to what I read.
But yes, I make assumptions on how someone looks as to who they may be as a person, but assuming and acting on those assumptions are different things.
IMO, it is way deeper than clothes.
They could be dressed in regular shorts and a shirt and still may be harassed.

[Ultrarunner]

Originally Posted by rah

Cops have had "bulletproof" vests for a long time now. Most vests can't stop rifle rounds though, especially not at close range...and the guy had an assault rifle and shot them all at close range. Plus, at least a couple of the police officers were shot in the head.

Not only that, the suspect fired blindly through a closed closet door at the two SWAT officers with an AK47 as reported by local media.