Sad in Seattle...San Francisco or San Diego??

[grapico]

Originally Posted by sav858

You really love to generalize SD a little too much, especially with the people. Maybe you just don't get out much or something but most people I know don't fall into any of those categories you mentioned. I'm young and liberal, born and raised in the Bay Area, and moved here 8 years ago and love it. The only people that think SD is "very conservative" are usually the bad ultra-left wing stereotypes, which you will find all over the Bay Area, so you're looking in the right place for that.

I find the types of people, their values, mentality, etc... to more diverse than the Bay Area and that seems to bother those that prefer only being around people like them. Of course if you're really liberal and into that psuedo-intellectual vibe then you'll love it in the Bay Area, so many people there are so similar and share a common mentality but that's not diversity imo.

Most of the people I've met who have settled in SD seem to be from the east coast/mid west more times than not and have been here for over 10 years with no plans to leave. Once again, you must not get out much and meet many people.

I just don't get it with people like you who move to a laid back, resort type city but expect it to be some cultural hub & world class city with the best weather and beaches. No place even exists like that in the country.

I always hear "pseudo intellectual vibe", used in a somewhat condescending way, yet SF is one of the most educated places in the country, w/ high caliber Stanford/Berkeley among others in the area as well as the massive brainpower of Silicon Valley... so how exactly is it "pseudo". It *is* an intellectual vibe, nothing pseudo about it. The same could be said of Boston, for example. It IS an intellectual vibe, and you will more than likely (if you choose to do so) bump shoulders with many intellectuals.

As far as that paradise world class city... it may not exist in the U.S. ...but Barcelona comes pretty close to it across the pond. Sydney does a pretty good job of it as well.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by grapico

I always hear "pseudo intellectual vibe", used in a somewhat condescending way, yet SF is one of the most educated places in the country, w/ high caliber Stanford/Berkeley among others in the area as well as the massive brainpower of Silicon Valley... so how exactly is it "pseudo". It *is* an intellectual vibe, nothing pseudo about it. The same could be said of Boston, for example. It IS an intellectual vibe, and you will more than likely (if you choose to do so) bump shoulders with many intellectuals.

As far as that paradise world class city... it may not exist in the U.S. ...but Barcelona comes pretty close to it across the pond. Sydney does a pretty good job of it as well.

I'm not saying that there are not smart people all over the Bay Area, it is a very educated place overall with lots of talent and some amazing people. But that doesn't mean everyone or the vast majority of people are like that. I found there are SOME people there completely full of sh*t and themselves and too wrapped up in their own world and viewpoints. The Bay Area can feel like one giant ideological circle jerk sometimes and I find some of the people don't seem to know what they're talking about or can't explain why they believe what they do. Or people who think b/c they have some interest in poetry, arts, etc.. that makes them smart and intelligent despite not having a good understanding on other important subjects. That is the PSEUDO-intellectual vibe I am speaking of. This quote from another thread describes some of those types fairly well IMO:

Originally Posted by krudmonk

San Francisco, while a fine city, is a magnet for one-dimensional people who use their address as a crutch to fill the void where there'd normally be a personality. They needn't be artistic or worldly if they live in a place that is known for being such. Their city is the one validation of their life, so they must constantly reassure themselves that it is the best city and all others are terrible. We see one example here.

Either way, most people aren't like that IMO, it's just an aspect of the Bay Area that annoys me but nothing at all that would prevent me from moving back and living there again. It's still a great place and it is what it is.

[grapico]

haha yeah, I know ones like that... like the people on myspace (yes I was on it some years back...) that list all the music and books they like, yet probably have never even read them.. But if you were to have a conversation with them about it...

There is actually a friend of my gf out there I met who foots the bill for this personality type... a comment on every subject, but know real knowledge of it.

[BayAreaHillbilly]

Originally Posted by sav858

I'm not saying that there are not smart people all over the Bay Area, it is a very educated place overall with lots of talent and some amazing people. But that doesn't mean everyone or the vast majority of people are like that. I found there are SOME people there completely full of sh*t and themselves and too wrapped up in their own world and viewpoints. The Bay Area can feel like one giant ideological circle jerk sometimes and I find some of the people don't seem to know what they're talking about or can't explain why they believe what they do. Or people who think b/c they have some interest in poetry, arts, etc.. that makes them smart and intelligent despite not having a good understanding on other important subjects. That is the PSEUDO-intellectual vibe I am speaking of. This quote from another thread describes some of those types fairly well IMO:

Either way, most people aren't like that IMO, it's just an aspect of the Bay Area that annoys me but nothing at all that would prevent me from moving back and living there again. It's still a great place and it is what it is.

Right on. The ugliest Ugly American is not the overweight guy from a red state wearing shorts, tank top and sneakers walking around Paris. The ugliest Ugly American is the SF "intellectual" with that typical argumentative personality, and that common in your face ideological expressiveness, pi___ing off the real McCoys at some cafe by La Sorbonne.