Suburbs of San Francisco and Oakland (San Jose, Long Beach: tech jobs, live, richest)

[Taboo2]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

So how does everyone commuting all over the bay mean San Francisco is the center or it all? You stated your thesis and then disproved it.

Because it is the physical center of the bay land areas. Get a map.

MORE people come from outside SF to work then any other bay area city. Period.

People will spend the week in SF and drive out to Tracy, Stockton, or even Pleasanton to live on the weekends at their REAL homes.

No other city in the bay area has that.

[Taboo2]

Originally Posted by tstieber

Yeah, some suburbs like Livermore are so far from Oakland as to have no connection or identity to Oakland at all. It would take about 30 or 40 minutes to drive from Oakland to Livermore, and Oakland is a dense city, while Livermore is practically out in the country.

This is true for most all smaller towns here. Livermore had nothing to do with Albany or with Niles which had nothing to do with Pleasanton and all they have in common is their populations EXPLODED because of San Francisco was built up and people were able to transport themselves back and forth and only then did their populations surpass boondock proportions


This could be a true statement for Oakland proper. The Lab is in direct connection to UC Berkeley.

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[krudmonk]

Originally Posted by Taboo2

Because it is the physical center of the bay land areas. Get a map.

This is San Francisco as the geographic and population center of the four-county, 2.3 million-person Bay Area.

This, of course, does not account for roughly 5 million people to the east and south.

[redwoodlvr]

Originally Posted by D-Towner

I was wondering what are considered the suburbs of San Francisco. Would the north Bay (particularly Marin county) be considered suburban San Francisco or is Suburban San Francisco considered to be the Peninsula? As far as Oakland suburbs go...is Milpitas considered to be a suburb of San Jose or Oakland? Is Livermore considered a suburb of Oakland or is it thought of as being its own city?

Why is there no Oakland Forum?

IMO, the burbs of San Francisco are Seacliff, Outer Richmond and Outer Sunset districts. Ocean beach, Fulton street, Lincoln Street, Great Highway, Sloat Blvd, Lake Merced vicinity etc. I consider the definition of suburbia in San Francisco as relative to it's proximity to downtown and neighborhoods that have more hustle and bustle. I grew up in the Sunset district so it's not a slam on it. There's still activity, not just as much as other parts of the city. Some people welcome the lack of noise, ample street parking and the choice to venture in and out of, let's say North Beach or Nob Hill as benefits, for example. My general definition of suburbia is much different, this is simply answering the SF question.

I didn't read this thread and I'm sure this was already covered, but Milpitas is along the Peninsula. It is not a suburb of San Jose. Marin County is not a suburb of San Francisco and you risk probably getting badly injured from both residential parties if you mention that out in public. hahaa.

The San Francisco Bay Area title represents all of the cities which are considered to be in the Bay Area, including Oakland. It's probably why there is no Oakland forum.

I can see where it can be confusing if you've just arrived. It's taken me 30 years to get it.

[jman650]

Originally Posted by redwoodlvr

IMO, the burbs of San Francisco are Seacliff, Outer Richmond and Outer Sunset districts. Ocean beach, Fulton street, Lincoln Street, Great Highway, Sloat Blvd, Lake Merced vicinity etc. I consider the definition of suburbia in San Francisco as relative to it's proximity to downtown and neighborhoods that have more hustle and bustle.

I can appreciate your POV here, but personally, I have to disagree with it. The City of SF as a whole is a big city surrounded by smaller suburbs that are connected to it. Those neighborhoods are all suburban, so I do see what you mean, but all of San Mateo and Marin Counties are suburbs of San Francisco, while SF is the urban center. You'd have to at least consider part of that to be the case considering SF's airport lies alongside San Bruno/Millbrae, while hotels with "SFO" included in their title range from SSF to San Mateo. All cities in between should be considered SF suburbs.

Now Oakland OTOH is completely autonomous IMO and I personally consider Piedmont, Berkeley, Albany, San Leandro, San Lorenzo, Castro Valley and Hayward to all be Oakland suburbs. The definition of "suburb" that I go by is, " a district lying immediately outside a city or town, esp. a smaller residential community." The SF neighborhoods you mentioned are all still w/in SF's city limits, so I don't see them as such. But I respect your opinion.

Originally Posted by redwoodlvr

I didn't read this thread and I'm sure this was already covered, but Milpitas is along the Peninsula. It is not a suburb of San Jose. Marin County is not a suburb of San Francisco and you risk probably getting badly injured from both residential parties if you mention that out in public.

I think you might have been thinking of Mtn. View when you wrote this? Milpitas lies between San Jose and Fremont on San Jose's Northeast side, while the Peninsula is on it's Northwest side.

[jman650]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

This is San Francisco as the geographic and population center of the four-county, 2.3 million-person Bay Area.

This, of course, does not account for roughly 5 million people to the east and south.

Correct, but San Francisco is located a distance between 45 and 55 miles from Santa Rosa, Vacaville, Brentwood, Livermore, Milpitas, San Jose and Pescadero, which collectively encompass virtually the entire Bay Area, depending on which specific borders you are applying to your 7.3 million-person Bay Area. It may be located at the left/west-center of the Bay Area, but it is still very centrally located. I'd say moreso than any other single city here, though Oakland comes very close as well.

[BayAreaHillbilly]

The exact center of population is actually just to the ESE of Oakland, but the point is well taken. To get back to the OPs question, it's one continuous suburb, with some more urbanized zones embeded in it, along the bay , arcing from SF to S. SJ back up to Richmond. There are more traditional suburbs further out. Marin is classic in this sense. Santa Cruz Mtns as well (some communities there are rural exurbs). There used to be a similar scenario in the outer East Bay, but the swath between Clayton and Livermore grew together into "the big C" and is now just a satellite blob of the main blob along the Bay (if it were not for the mountains and hills, "the big C" would be outright connected to the bayside blob). N. Bay, beyond Marin, is still classic suburbia with spaces between the individual burbs. Same deal for the most far flung ones east of Livermore.

[18Montclair]

SF and Oakland share suburbs as both are major cities and draw workers from many of the same cities.

Its entirely acceptable that Orinda is a suburb of both SF and Oakland.

[jman650]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

SF and Oakland share suburbs as both are major cities and draw workers from many of the same cities.

Its entirely acceptable that Orinda is a suburb of both SF and Oakland.

I fully agree.

[CiNYC]

Originally Posted by redwoodlvr

I can see where it can be confusing if you've just arrived. It's taken me 30 years to get it.

Yet every place you mentioned is, by definition, not a suburb, thereby further confusing newcomers...