Oakland Considering Filing Bankruptcy (Montclair, Tiburon: apartment, crime rate, house)

[Tallysmom]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

So what regions are aligned to the A's? Do you not realize that people tend to root for the local team? Why do so many people pick the Giants despite the A's being more successful?

Benefit? Who cares? A business in a business. It aims to make money. If Oakland does not make itself attractive to customers then it is not attractive to business. The biases of lilywhite Walnut Creek residents are not going to be dispelled at random.

San Jose (however it's involved in this conversation) is not spending any money on a stadium if it comes to that. All they did was buy up some land for consolidation and draft an EIR to ease the process. How is that bending over? Oakland had a site for a stadium and they decided to build condos instead.

I don't mean to be rude, but this is NOT a sports thread, it's a bankruptcy thread -- there's a spot where you guys can bore yourselves silly arguing over sports leaving Oakland or not.

I so don't give a rats hiney if sports leaves or goes.

[BayDude]

Originally Posted by LakeShoreSoxGo

Oakland is beyond the point of policing. They have to save police for places that still matter in the town. The port, the airport, the collusium, lake merrit and the hills. Gotta protect the hand that feeds you. No point in sending the force parading up and down international those neighborhoods are infested with criminals and criminally minded people, they need to police themselves and take back their neighborhoods first.

The crap that people put up with in the flats does not fly AT ALL with residents in the hills.

Can't really disagree there. Much of Oakland is, for all practical purposes, un-policeable. Oakland's the only city I know where large numbers of people will stage a march in favor of a criminal. That pretty bad.

[krudmonk]

Originally Posted by Tallysmom

I don't mean to be rude, but this is NOT a sports thread, it's a bankruptcy thread -- there's a spot where you guys can bore yourselves silly arguing over sports leaving Oakland or not.

I so don't give a rats hiney if sports leaves or goes.

I made one comment in passing and it kinda blew up. Sorry.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

So what regions are aligned to the A's? Do you not realize that people tend to root for the local team? Why do so many people pick the Giants despite the A's being more successful?

Because they are Giants Fans. Remember the A's are supposed to be a small market team. And you keep presuming that its totally because of where the stadiums are located-neglecting the fact that Candlestick is located in a dump but that didnt stop fans from attending.

Benefit? Who cares? A business in a business. It aims to make money.

But these 'businesses' can't seem to finance their growth without holding cities and counties across the nation hostage with threats to leave.

If Oakland does not make itself attractive to customers then it is not attractive to business.

Its not Oakland's job to make itself attractive to baseball fans by paying for their stadium. No, absolutely not.

San Jose (however it's involved in this conversation) is not spending any money on a stadium if it comes to that. All they did was buy up some land for consolidation and draft an EIR to ease the process.

Forgive me if I laugh at the notion that this is all that this will cost San Jose at the end of the day. History tells otherwise.

How is that bending over?

Honey, the biggest thrusts are yet to come. LOL

Oakland had a site for a stadium and they decided to build condos instead.

No, the owner of the A's proposed a plan he knew would not work because it required buying land from neighboring industrial sites and he knew there would be resistance from those owners.

This was a well orchestrated plan to make the A's look like the victims. There are plenty of other, better sites that the city was willing to work with the team to develop.

But they really didnt want that. Remember that before unveiling his plan to redevelop the Coliseum, a few years ago the A's owner went to San Jose and made that indulgent speech where he cried at a hearing there because he is from San Jose and wants desparately to bring the team there. When that failed to garner much support he put together the fake plan to redevelop the A's current site.

Its quite a soap opera really. And it revolves around the A's owners personal ego and drama.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by BayDude

Can't really disagree there. Much of Oakland is, for all practical purposes, un-policeable.

Such as where?

Crime is not on the rise in Oakland. Its actually down and fluctuates with the economy like everywhere else.

Oakland's the only city I know where large numbers of people will stage a march in favor of a criminal. That pretty bad.

There is distrust of the police by the African American community not only in Oakland, but in many places.

[LakeShoreSoxGo]

Originally Posted by Tallysmom

I don't mean to be rude, but this is NOT a sports thread, it's a bankruptcy thread -- there's a spot where you guys can bore yourselves silly arguing over sports leaving Oakland or not.

I so don't give a rats hiney if sports leaves or goes.

This is the real reason bay area sports are so dismal. The bay area apathy is unique, you never see this anywhere else in the country. not even seattle.

[LakeShoreSoxGo]

Originally Posted by BayDude

Can't really disagree there. Much of Oakland is, for all practical purposes, un-policeable. Oakland's the only city I know where large numbers of people will stage a march in favor of a criminal. That pretty bad.

What was that guys name ? The drug lord of oakland who died in the 80's or early 90's. The guy had a funeral parade with a horse drawn casket all around the town , as if martlin luther king had just died. And this was 20 years ago. Oakland has been in a pathetic condition for some time. The only thing it really has going for it is that it is across the bridge from SF.

[BayDude]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Such as where?

Crime is not on the rise in Oakland. Its actually down and fluctuates with the economy like everywhere else.

Whether its "on the rise" isn't relevant. It has one of the highest rates in the country. I really don't think it can "rise" any higher than where it already is. So thats nothing to be proud of.

There is distrust of the police by the African American community not only in Oakland, but in many places.

They have a choice. Life with police protection or life without it. Lets just say many in Oakland would like to choose the latter. I'd "trust" the police over drug dealers, pimps and violent criminals any day of the week. Maybe I'm just in the minority opinion in Oakland lol.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by BayDude

Whether its "on the rise" isn't relevant.

Oh really? That's an absolutely stupid thing to say.

It has one of the highest rates in the country. I really don't think it can "rise" any higher than where it already is.

It was actually much worse in the late 80s, early 90s. Many neighborhoods of Oakland are undergoing marked improvements and have seen a rise in vibrancy.

Of course, not being familiar with Oakland, you wouldnt know that.

So thats nothing to be proud of.

As far as Im concerned, dying on the streets of Oakland is equivalent to living in a boring suburb. Except living in a boring burb is longer and more painful death.

I'd "trust" the police over drug dealers, pimps and violent criminals any day of the week. Maybe I'm just in the minority opinion in Oakland lol.

You have never felt like you've been unfairly treated by a cop. Congratulations.

Do you want an award?

lol indeed.

[BayDude]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Oh really? That's an absolutely stupid thing to say.

How so?

thanks.

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

It was actually much worse in the late 80s, early 90s. Many neighborhoods of Oakland are undergoing marked improvements and have seen a rise in vibrancy.

By "vibrancy" you must mean "gunfire" lol. Yes.

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Of course, not being familiar with Oakland, you wouldnt know that.

Try again. I live there.

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

As far as Im concerned, dying on the streets of Oakland is equivalent to living in a boring suburb. Except living in a boring burb is longer and more painful death.

Sorry to hear your life is boring without the stimulation of death and crime. That's really sad.

If that's how you get your kicks you should really try moving to Sao Paulo Brazil and Johannesburg South Africa when Oakland gets too "boring" for you. If thats possible.

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

You have never felt like you've been unfairly treated by a cop. Congratulations.

Thats nothing compared to the "unfairness" of staring into the barrel of a criminal's gun as he helps himself to your belongings.

I choose the cops over criminals. Sorry.