What will finally cause California to decline significantly? (San Francisco, Walnut: wage, living in)

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Adults age 25+with a Bachelor Degree or Higher, 2007
Oakland 34.9%
Chicago 29.5%

Please stick to what you know.

Yeah, but where did those people get their educations? Were they educated in local public schools? Or were they born and educated somewhere else, maybe even outside the US? I'm not sure of Oakland, but down here in SV, we have lots of well educated people...but many were educated in China, India, Russia, etc.

It's an indictment not only of local public schools, but American public education in general. Low expectations and low standards compared with other developed countries and even some poor countries.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by BayDude

"My Blessed Bay Area" lol.

The Bay Area can have a really a unique and interesting form of racism. An unspoken "say one thing and do the other" or "not in my backyard" sort of racism. The type of racism that can come only from self-styled "liberals". I believe I saw a bay area Craigslist personal ad the other day of a woman saying she was "educated, liberal and will date white guys only" or something to that effect. Pretty oxymoronic type of stuff.

Lots of folks here will proclaim themselves to be "enlightened" and "progressive" but in their actions will do exactly the opposite. I routinely for example, gas guzzling landrovers with "go green" bumper stickers on them. That kind of stuff. Really funny types live here.

Agreed. I find the SUV stuff particularly galling. They want conservation as long as someone else does the conserving.

[BayAreaHillbilly]

Originally Posted by ndfmnlf

I agree. As a white guy growing up in LA, I've been around Asians most of my life. I found Asians to be more entrepreneurial than whites. They tend to be better educated as well, hence have higher incomes. If all the whiny whites left California to be replaced by Asians, I wouldn't mind it one bit. In fact, if that happened, the median household income of California will probably go up significantly. So will its median IQ. California will become an even wealthier and smarter state.

True enough, but it will also become less diverse and more insular. Colonists are not the same thing as immigrants.

[BayAreaHillbilly]

Originally Posted by ndfmnlf

You do know that many ASians in California have been here for generations. They're not necessarily recent immigrants. You also seem to be ignorant of the fact that we already have a state that is dominated by Asians: it's called Hawaii. So, there's no need for you to speculate about "what will happen to our culture if Asians take over". Last time I checked, Hawaii is one of the most affluent and desirable states of the union. It is not mired in "Confucian" barbarism. Nothing draconian will happen if Asians dominate in California. If anything, the culture will improve, given the high level of respect for family values, high level of education, high level of entrepreneurship, and high incomes that Asians bring with them.

So if you don't like the idea of Asians taking over California, you are free to leave. Make way for the new power elite.

The Asians who immigrated here prior to say, 1970, are quite different from the present wave. The pre 1970 wave were hell bent on assimilation and followed in the foot steps of the "typical immigrant experience." The more recent wave don't seem to be interested very much in assimilation. See my post way up above about my friends growing up who were of Sansei/Yonsei, Gold Rush Cantonese, immediate post WW2 Pinoy, etc stock.

[Alexus]

Originally Posted by Roccaluma

Has the tipping point been reached where all of a sudden people just leave and the state goes radically downhill or is it more of a slow burn? I looked into information on how the business community views taxes and and costs here in California and they view the climate here very unfavorably. I read about some business that moved to Arizona and had the electrical costs. And will other areas figure out how to do the internet?

I love the weather here and the laid back lifestyle.

Will the liberal state and local governments raise taxes another one or two percent which suddenly causes a mass exodus of the wealthy to no income tax states like Nevada?

What seems to keep the place going is illegal immigrants who are coming from a much worse place than here and legal immigrants coming from poorer countries who accept the high costs. Those two trends will not change so maybe California will continue going like it has for quite awhile.

Aside from getting rid of a man who should not have been Governor in the first place, and the end of the worst presidential administration in history (one that was anti-CA), the only thing that could bring down this state is if the weather made a permanent change to resemble that of the Midwest..which of course is about is likely as cows flying.

As long as the state remains as beautiful as it has been, it will remain self-sustaining.

[ndfmnlf]

Originally Posted by BayAreaHillbilly

The Asians who immigrated here prior to say, 1970, are quite different from the present wave. The pre 1970 wave were hell bent on assimilation and followed in the foot steps of the "typical immigrant experience." The more recent wave don't seem to be interested very much in assimilation. See my post way up above about my friends growing up who were of Sansei/Yonsei, Gold Rush Cantonese, immediate post WW2 Pinoy, etc stock.

What are you talking about? The Asians who immigrated here way way back (19th and early 20th century) were not even permitted to assimilate. See my post way up above about how early Asian immigrants were marginalized by American society (anti-miscegenation laws, Chinese exclusion acts etc etc).

This claim that American (ie white) society welcomes foreigners who wish to assimilate into American culture is refuted by the evidence of history. Foreigners who wanted to assimilate were actually rejected by white society. The experience of black Americans alone (the segregation of blacks from mainsteram white society until recently) is evidence of that.

It simply amazes me that immigrants and non-whites are now accused of having no interest in assimilation when they have historically been prevented from doing so by the white establishment.

[ndfmnlf]

Originally Posted by BayAreaHillbilly

True enough, but it will also become less diverse and more insular. Colonists are not the same thing as immigrants.

Why is lack of diversity suddenly a concern? Hasn't the argument been that California is too diverse, too multicultural for its own good?

[clongirl]

Originally Posted by BayAreaHillbilly

The Asians who immigrated here prior to say, 1970, are quite different from the present wave. The pre 1970 wave were hell bent on assimilation and followed in the foot steps of the "typical immigrant experience." The more recent wave don't seem to be interested very much in assimilation. See my post way up above about my friends growing up who were of Sansei/Yonsei, Gold Rush Cantonese, immediate post WW2 Pinoy, etc stock.

I'm sorry, but you obviously don't know much about San Francisco/Bay Area history.

Perhaps you misstated or are just not that knowledgeable about the subject matter, but the Chinese in San Francisco had a particularly rough time.

The Chinese immigrants pretty much built ALL the railroads across the West Coast of America.

When I was a little girl my family would eat out at pretty much the only dim sum place in the City (Tung Fong, no longer there).

We would always comment and discuss the older Chinese gentlemen playing Mah Jong or chess in the Washington Square park... (my grandparents were Asian/Chinese born). These guys had basically been saving up their ENTIRE lives to bring their wives/children to California via a plane ticket. These men were the launderette owners, former railroad workers, and restaurant workers. That's all they were ALLOWED to do.

They were paid NOTHING for all their labor. They were not allowed to make a normal "white man" wage or be given the same respect, pay, benefits, or even the chance to assimilate whilst they toiled away for pennies. So please don't try to speak for the original Chinese/Asian population and try to assert that they were even given the chance to assimilate.

Perhaps you need to take a visit to the towns of Locke (Chinese community) or Walnut Grove (Japanese community) in the Delta to get a feel for what you don't know that much about.

[Ultrarunner]

I am called Uncle by several Asian Families and I am not Uncle by Blood or Marriage...

All of these families had very humble Bay Area beginnings that either started or could have ended on the Angel Island Immigration Station in SF Bay.

These families have truly prospered through hard work and sacrifice... The Generation of my own age are Doctors, Dentists, Shop Owners, Contractors, Scientists and Educators... there isn't a single one out of roughly 60 people that failed to achieve. Sons and Daughters live in Piedmont and Atherton which is about as high tone as it gets and some went into politics and one became Police Chief of San Francisco.

My Father attended Public School in the 30's and 40's in Oakland CA... He has introduced me to many of his old classmates... Maybe Oakland in the 1930's was different than the rest of the Country in that in my Father's class were Whites, Blacks, Mexicans, Japanese and Chinese... they were not segregated.

Chinese and Japanese female students were among those that went on to graduate from Berkeley as well as others.

Growing up, we lived in integrated neighborhoods and thought nothing of it...

All I can say is maybe Oakland was way ahead of it's time when it came to integration and opportunity?

I've been told countless times how things were very different from those of my parents age when they left the Bay Area... even military service was a shock to some because it was the first time they felt as second class...

[Huckleberry3911948]

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