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Old 05-16-2012, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Planet Earth
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Every time a city does something to improve the quality of life whether it be, new bike lanes, no plastic bags, reduced emmissions, people always moan and groan about it.
Except that banning plastic bags REDUCES the quality of people's lives. Convenience improves the quality of people's lives, and plastic bags make life more convenient.

Cars are terrible for the environment and walking is much healthier. How would you like it if they banned the use of cars and forced people to walk everywhere they need to go? Wouldn't that loss of convenience lower the quality of your life?
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:55 AM
 
Location: San Jose, CA
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Except that banning plastic bags REDUCES the quality of people's lives. Convenience improves the quality of people's lives, and plastic bags make life more convenient.
People aren't the only species on the planet. If we realize we are stewards of the place, we have an obligation to preserve it, not destroy it in the name of superficial, lazy "convenience". Destroying habitats and ecosystems, BTW, degrades the quality of life for humans much more significantly than most realize, or would care to admit.
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Old 05-16-2012, 02:10 AM
 
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People aren't the only species on the planet. If we realize we are stewards of the place, we have an obligation to preserve it, not destroy it in the name of superficial, lazy "convenience". Destroying habitats and ecosystems, BTW, degrades the quality of life for humans much more significantly than most realize, or would care to admit.
So would you be willing to also get rid of your laundry machine and dishwasher? Because they are also bad for the environment. But you won't because the convenience they provide improves the quality of your life, don't they?
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:25 AM
 
Location: San Jose, CA
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What is with this notion here in this country that we are ENTITLED to things. Every time a city does something to improve the quality of life whether it be, new bike lanes, no plastic bags, reduced emmissions, people always moan and groan about it. It's as simple as spending 10 dollars to buy 10 reusable cloth bags. You spend 10 dollars on cigarettes that's slowly killing you anyway. Trust me the bags aren't gonna hurt you to buy them. Just remember to bring them with you. If you forget, guess what, you can buy one for 10 measly cent. If you cant afford a couple ten cent bags, I think it's time to get a second, maybe third job.

*Phew* I had to get that off my chest. I feel liberated now lol.
But wait. What if somebody buys a lot of groceries and needs 5 bags. That's what, a whole 50 cents! Hey that's a lot of money to these folks who probably drove their Hummer to the market.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:36 AM
 
Location: San Jose, CA
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There is a lot of information on the internet about the health dangers of reusable bags. Here are 3 links. I could easily post a lot more.

http://www.clemson.edu/extension/hgi...f/htfs0910.pdf

http://uanews.org/pdfs/GerbaWilliams...tamination.pdf

http://intrabecc.cocef.org/programs/...healthrisk.pdf
Nice Googling! Those are some dandy theoretical articles. Now find one actual report of somebody who got ill from using reusable bags for shopping.

Oh, and sorry but the report of the Beaverton Girl's Soccer Team, doesn't count. After all, that particular bag was contaminated by a girl who apparently got sick in it. That seems to be the only anecdote ever mentioned in news, and yet it had nothing to do with shopping.

This should be real easy for you what with all those people dropping dead from using them and all.

But seriously, toss 'em in the washing machine along with your clothes if you're worried about it. Is it really that big of a deal?
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Old 05-16-2012, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Tempe, AZ
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That remark, is what so many people that do not understand what the medical world is telling us seem to think. That is why reusable shopping bags are so dangerous.

No it is not going to hurt us to buy them, but every time we use them without THOROUGHLY WASHING AND DRYING THEM, we are risking our families and our own health and possibly even lives.

It is kind of like playing Russian Roulette. That is where some people get together and play a game. They take the ammunition out of a revolver. They place one bullet in one of the chambers of the cylinder. They spin the cylinder, and place the pistol to their head and pull the trigger then pass it to the next person to do the same. If you are lucky, you fire on an empty cylinder. If not you are dead.

Every time one spins the cylinder, you only have one chance in 6 you will kill yourself. The cylinder may be spun and no one hurt for 1,000 spins and firings. On the other hand, if it is spun 1,000 times and fired at a persons head after each spin, there may be 1,000 dead game players.

Playing Russian Roulette is stupid and potentially deadly. So is using unwashed reusable grocery shopping bags.
Woooooooooooow. A cloth bag is really dangerous like that, that it can be compared to russian roulette. Well if bags are that seriously toxic, then yes we need to wash them. Just like we do our underwear.
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Tempe, AZ
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But wait. What if somebody buys a lot of groceries and needs 5 bags. That's what, a whole 50 cents! Hey that's a lot of money to these folks who probably drove their Hummer to the market.
Not just any hummer. It has to be the limited edition one. But I guess they need every 50 cent they can save to fill that tank up.
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Tempe, AZ
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Except that banning plastic bags REDUCES the quality of people's lives. Convenience improves the quality of people's lives, and plastic bags make life more convenient.

Cars are terrible for the environment and walking is much healthier. How would you like it if they banned the use of cars and forced people to walk everywhere they need to go? Wouldn't that loss of convenience lower the quality of your life?
It's only an inconvenience if there isn't an alternative. There are plenty of alternatives to plastic bags. Banning cars is a stupid thing to do. The economy will sink. However, a thin piece of plastic that rips before you even get the bag to the car is not going to start a recession if it's banned. Be glad the city is actually trying to do something good for the environment thats going to affect your children, your children's children, etc. I would rather a city try to protect our environment than to just pollute and tarnish it. (Although thats already been accomplished)
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:35 PM
 
Location: San Jose, CA
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yes we need to wash them. Just like we do our underwear.
We're supposed to wash our underwear?
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Tempe, AZ
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We're supposed to wash our underwear?
Yeh you didn't know. Or maybe people forget they're wearing some because it's lost somewhere in their fat a**
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