San Jose plastic bag law (Daly City, Santa Clara: crime, live in, mall)

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by kdog

We're supposed to wash our underwear?

If it doubles as your grocery bags, then yes.

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by TheGreatCurve

So would you be willing to also get rid of your laundry machine and dishwasher? Because they are also bad for the environment. But you won't because the convenience they provide improves the quality of your life, don't they?

But we're not talking about the laundry. We're talking about plastic bags.

[gone down south]

Originally Posted by TheGreatCurve

Cars are terrible for the environment and walking is much healthier. How would you like it if they banned the use of cars and forced people to walk everywhere they need to go? Wouldn't that loss of convenience lower the quality of your life?

Incorrect analogy. They didn't ban bags, they banned PLASTIC bags.
The correct analogy would be banning low-fuel-economy/high-polluting cars.
Which is exactly what is happening.

Originally Posted by TheGreatCurve

So would you be willing to also get rid of your laundry machine and dishwasher? Because they are also bad for the environment. But you won't because the convenience they provide improves the quality of your life, don't they?

No human activity is without impact. The key is to make intelligent choices among the available options. Living in filth creates disease, so we make the choice to wash our clothes. BUT, we use cold water whenever possible, remove phosphates/etc from detergent, improve the energy efficiency of washing machines, hang to dry when possible, etc.

[TheGreatCurve]

Originally Posted by kdog

But seriously, toss 'em in the washing machine along with your clothes if you're worried about it. Is it really that big of a deal?

But people who really and honestly care about the environment don't have washing machines, remember? Kind of defeats the purpose to switch to reusable bags only to have to use washing machines to wash them, right?

[TheGreatCurve]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

But we're not talking about the laundry. We're talking about plastic bags.

I thought we were talking about saving the environment and not degrading the quality of life?

Anyone who advocates banning plastic bags to save the environment but still uses a washing machine to do their laundry is a hypocrite.

[TheGreatCurve]

Originally Posted by gone down south

Incorrect analogy. They didn't ban bags, they banned PLASTIC bags.
The correct analogy would be banning low-fuel-economy/high-polluting cars.
Which is exactly what is happening.

And you don't think the manufacture of low-emissions cars negatively impacts the environment? How about the manufacture and disposal of all those massive batteries in hybrid cars and all-electric cars? How about all the coal that is burned that pollutes the air to generate the electricity for these plug-in hybrids and rechargeable all-electric cars? How about the drilling, extraction, production, and refining of gasoline? ALL cars negatively impact the environment.

Oh, didn't you know? The plan has always been to also ban paper bags after the plastic ones.

[BayAreaHillbilly]

Discussions about environmental impacts become quite academic in a country that is slipping below replacement. Our impact has probably already peaked, since efficiency is having an effect that will counteract the final sputter of growth prior to the inflection point.

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by TheGreatCurve

And you don't think the manufacture of low-emissions cars negatively impacts the environment? How about the manufacture and disposal of all those massive batteries in hybrid cars and all-electric cars? How about all the coal that is burned that pollutes the air to generate the electricity for these plug-in hybrids and rechargeable all-electric cars? How about the drilling, extraction, production, and refining of gasoline? ALL cars negatively impact the environment.

Oh, didn't you know? The plan has always been to also ban paper bags after the plastic ones.

I'll do you one better: Are you in favor of breeding humans?

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by gone down south

Incorrect analogy. They didn't ban bags, they banned PLASTIC bags.
The correct analogy would be banning low-fuel-economy/high-polluting cars.
Which is exactly what is happening.

No human activity is without impact. The key is to make intelligent choices among the available options. Living in filth creates disease, so we make the choice to wash our clothes. BUT, we use cold water whenever possible, remove phosphates/etc from detergent, improve the energy efficiency of washing machines, hang to dry when possible, etc.

That being true, they should encourage the beneficial recycling of plastic bags by including instructions on them for putting them over your head and breathing deeply. California is way over-crowded.

[gone down south]

Originally Posted by TheGreatCurve

And you don't think the manufacture of low-emissions cars negatively impacts the environment? How about the manufacture and disposal of all those massive batteries in hybrid cars and all-electric cars? How about all the coal that is burned that pollutes the air to generate the electricity for these plug-in hybrids and rechargeable all-electric cars? How about the drilling, extraction, production, and refining of gasoline? ALL cars negatively impact the environment.

Oh, didn't you know? The plan has always been to also ban paper bags after the plastic ones.

Oh, I get it now. You're being argumentative for the sake of arguing. Sorry, I thought we were having a discussion, my mistake.

Peace out.