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Old 10-02-2013, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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I don't know how people work full-time and raise young children at the same time.
They don't. They pay other people to do that.
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Old 10-02-2013, 02:43 PM
 
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About the only way is with split shifts... it's hell on everyone.

The parents only see each other in passing.

We have several nurses with school age kids and the nurses start at 6 and are off at 2:30...

So these Moms are home when the kids get out of school and it is up to Dad to get them to school.
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Old 10-02-2013, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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About the only way is with split shifts... it's hell on everyone. The parents only see each other in passing. We have several nurses with school age kids and the nurses start at 6 and are off at 2:30... So these Moms are home when the kids get out of school and it is up to Dad to get them to school.
Yeah that seems really rough and IMHO not worth a nice home or cars or anything else in the Bay Area or elsewhere if there's any way around it. I'm not necessarily saying that everyone should have to move just to have kids, but if ever there was a good reason to seriously consider either moving or not having kids (or both) then that's it.
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Old 10-02-2013, 04:06 PM
 
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I know quite a few ex San Franciscans that moved to the East Bay for a variety of kid factors...

Space, lower cost, kid friendly, etc.

Seems just about anywhere near BART service has prospered outside the city.
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:18 PM
 
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About the only way is with split shifts... it's hell on everyone.

The parents only see each other in passing.

We have several nurses with school age kids and the nurses start at 6 and are off at 2:30...

So these Moms are home when the kids get out of school and it is up to Dad to get them to school.
Having both parents working full time with no help isn't the norm in the Bay Area, though. Some families have a high income earner so the other can stay at home. Some only have one moderate income earner and the other stays at home and they are frugal. Some pay for after school care. Some arrange with employers for flexible hours. Some have relatives (I even know a small businessman who has an employee) look after children for free. And, of course, there are single parents who can't do split shifts because there's only one of them.

So, while what you say is true, it's a red herring because many Bay Area families have more flexibility.
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Old 10-02-2013, 09:48 PM
 
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My neighbors have a 9 year old that is in afterschool and summer school programs.

Both parents work and together make about 80k... she has the better job at $25 an hour and he had a great union job that disappeared... in and out of work the last couple of years and now doing the exact same job for about $15...

I don't know how they would be able to make it without paying for the after school program...
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Old 10-02-2013, 11:31 PM
 
Location: Santa Clara
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Having both parents working full time with no help isn't the norm in the Bay Area, though. Some families have a high income earner so the other can stay at home. Some only have one moderate income earner and the other stays at home and they are frugal. Some pay for after school care. Some arrange with employers for flexible hours. Some have relatives (I even know a small businessman who has an employee) look after children for free. And, of course, there are single parents who can't do split shifts because there's only one of them.

So, while what you say is true, it's a red herring because many Bay Area families have more flexibility.
There's this Indian lady who pushes a gigantic stroller every morning in my street - she fits 8 kids in there and when there are more, a friend (assistant?) pulls another set of 6 to 8 all tied up to each other using some kind of leash. It looks more funny than depressing (funny when she tries to sing to them, but depressing esp. when it's hot). That's probably one of the cheapest possible arrangements for families with both parents working full time.
Most parents I know at school have one full-time and one part-time/flexible parent (teacher, real-estate agent, nurse, etc. can all be part-time)
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Old 10-02-2013, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Santa Clara
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Even if you're a Stanford graduate it is still a long shot.
I meant to say they have quite the headstart over "common" people

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BTW I read somewhere that most startup founders are not as young as the media usually makes it out to be, somehow they really like talking about founders in their 20s, but supposedly most are in their mid to late 30s, they just don't get written about, maybe it makes for a boring read.
If you keep trying at it you'll soon well be into your 30s and beyond. The media likes the big, leveraged bets, therefore organic growth/bootstrap won't get any coverage. The media likes B2C because folks can relate to it better, but the older folks mitigate risk by working B2B. The media likes unexpected success stories i.e. it's your first shot and you were untested. I didn't co-found a company until age 32 and the scrappy entrepreneurs I've met have almost always been older than I, many in their 40s in fact. None of them gets customers via generic media exposure.
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Old 10-03-2013, 01:06 PM
 
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It depends on how you use the word, "startup", too. A lot of people have rebranded their small businesses as "startups".
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Old 10-05-2013, 11:43 AM
 
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My neighbors have a 9 year old that is in afterschool and summer school programs.

Both parents work and together make about 80k... she has the better job at $25 an hour and he had a great union job that disappeared... in and out of work the last couple of years and now doing the exact same job for about $15...

I don't know how they would be able to make it without paying for the after school program...
This goes back to what bigdumbgod said....other people are raising their kids. Not what I would want.
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