05-19-2015, 01:18 PM
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How many recruiters lie when calling you?
I was expecting a call today for a phone screen from a personal data storage company in Silicon Valley that tries hard to match benefits with Facebook or Google. I did not get call and when I sent email after 10 minutes of not getting a call or email, she emailed saying that she called my Google voice number but it seemed to be out of service and asked to reschedule another DAY! When I test called my number, it worked fine and I believe they had my second number as cell phone in my application or resume. Anyway it is hard to believe it, because if she had a problem, she could email right away within 5 minutes of scheduled time. I had recruiters at other companies do it when they could not keep it due to conference taking longer or other issues.
05-20-2015, 12:35 AM
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Had anyone the experience of switching from full-time job to contract 6+ months or more? How did it work out of you. On last month did you get it extended or found another job?
05-20-2015, 01:04 PM
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I disagree with the OP's assertion. At least from my point of view, I find SV to be a great place to start your career. There are lots of opportunities. And competition is fierce. IMO, the first five years of one's career should be brutal. Full of fierce competition, and fast learning opportunities. You can switch jobs if it does not work out relatively easily. From a professional POV, I think this place is great. For other stuff like work life -balance, thats a different thing.
05-20-2015, 01:05 PM
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As for recruiter misconduct, it is blatant and pretty egregious across all companies. Its very regrettable.
05-20-2015, 06:36 PM
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Change "experience" to "skill" in the thread title and it makes a lot more sense.
05-20-2015, 07:54 PM
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Change "experience" to "skill" in the thread title and it makes a lot more sense.
Problem is, most places seem to not count your skills as skills unless it's from a job, and therefore from experience. At-home stuff doesn't seem to count no matter how brilliant, skilled, interesting, well done, etc. it is.
06-02-2015, 12:45 AM
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Problem is, most places seem to not count your skills as skills unless it's from a job, and therefore from experience. At-home stuff doesn't seem to count no matter how brilliant, skilled, interesting, well done, etc. it is.
That is true, when I lost my job in 2013 (and I graduated in 2010, started in stable workforce in 2011), I got call from associate recruiter for some tech support position in Hartonworks which is a big player behind Hadoop adoption. Some of the questions were about experience with SQL, Java and told him I learned in school developing getting hands on code. And this position wasn't primarily on coding, just to be familiar. The guy quickly turned me down saying I won't be a good fit because I did not learn it on the job
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06-02-2015, 01:06 AM
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I disagree with the OP's assertion. At least from my point of view, I find SV to be a great place to start your career. There are lots of opportunities. And competition is fierce. IMO, the first five years of one's career should be brutal. Full of fierce competition, and fast learning opportunities. You can switch jobs if it does not work out relatively easily. From a professional POV, I think this place is great. For other stuff like work life -balance, thats a different thing.
How can you easily switch jobs?
When you apply directly its hit or miss whether you will ever get a phone screen interview. Once you pass, you have to talk to manager first over the phone and if they like you come for face to face more technical.
Most headhunters from staffing firms suck. They often offer me after finding me on the internet totally different roles or same or sometimes worse job role well below my pay grade for 6 months contract.
I am currently trying to bring my skills to speed by taking community college class where I do a lot of simulated work on routers and switches learning internal protocols, that helps me prepare for new CCNA 200-120 (which is compared to old CCNP from 5 years ago). I currently have server+, network+, Bachelor of science degree in IT, 4 years of combined NOC and data center. Yet this all will be barely useful to stand out.
I am hoping that my future interviewers will focus more on technical skills and not look too close at my past work experience and job titles, responsibilities otherwise I am toast. For example, I am looking to get a job as junior network engineer. Most places only look for senior. My last role as data center technician, no matter what title I use will reflect in just sole job responsibilities not enough direct experience for network engineering. My last job is dead end. They make only run the dumbest but hardest (in physical sense) tasks that level 3 technicians feel are beneath them and wont do them. They themselves will not show or allow to do more advanced tasks that require higher responsibility including "lead" because they want to hold on into their jobs and they see younger as threat to their positions. This is why the sooner I get out from there the better.
Furthermore, I have some recruiters asking me about job change every year, which last one was due to loosing my job. You can tell them truth the last job was not a good fit and they will dwell on it why.
I am looking to learn linux and add more skills so that way I have more opportunities open to me in case networking will not work out.
06-02-2015, 01:28 AM
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How can you easily switch jobs?
When you apply directly its hit or miss whether you will ever get a phone screen interview. Once you pass, you have to talk to manager first over the phone and if they like you come for face to face more technical.
Most headhunters from staffing firms suck. They often offer me after finding me on the internet totally different roles or same or sometimes worse job role well below my pay grade for 6 months contract.
I am currently trying to bring my skills to speed by taking community college class where I do a lot of simulated work on routers and switches learning internal protocols, that helps me prepare for new CCNA 200-120 (which is compared to old CCNP from 5 years ago). I currently have server+, network+, Bachelor of science degree in IT, 4 years of combined NOC and data center. Yet this all will be barely useful to stand out.
I am hoping that my future interviewers will focus more on technical skills and not look too close at my past work experience and job titles, responsibilities otherwise I am toast. For example, I am looking to get a job as junior network engineer. Most places only look for senior. My last role as data center technician, no matter what title I use will reflect in just sole job responsibilities not enough direct experience for network engineering. My last job is dead end. They make only run the dumbest but hardest (in physical sense) tasks that level 3 technicians feel are beneath them and wont do them. They themselves will not show or allow to do more advanced tasks that require higher responsibility including "lead" because they want to hold on into their jobs and they see younger as threat to their positions. This is why the sooner I get out from there the better.
Furthermore, I have some recruiters asking me about job change every year, which last one was due to loosing my job. You can tell them truth the last job was not a good fit and they will dwell on it why.
I am looking to learn linux and add more skills so that way I have more opportunities open to me in case networking will not work out.
I can understand your pain (I hope so) and you are absolutely right on some points. To me, you have a pretty good experience along with relevant educational background, but unfortunately your profile still not stand out during job search. In the job market, there are thousands of other folks who may have same skills. I think that's the problem of IT/software industry. I think only way to stand out during job search is to work on something which is very very new at the same time very demanding (ruby/rail, Hadoop, NoSql, AWS, Azure, etc).
In our company, we get a ton of resumes when we open any IT positions, tech supports, typical software engineers (UI work or some back-end) and those position generally fill-up pretty quickly. At the same time, when we open any position in big data/cloud areas, we rarely get one or two resumes per week and those positions remain open for several weeks or even months. It's even hard to fill-out those positions for mid-size companies.
If you are planning to learn Linux, also plan to learn OpenStack and AWS (specially EC2, S3, VPC). Your profile will look much stronger if you know any one of them.
06-03-2015, 09:44 PM
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Ok I have a PhD from a top-10 school in CS and an undergrad from MIT and 25 years of experience and I want to set things straight.
The Bay Area IS a tough place to live, it's not like all the senior people are making out like bandits. We save like hell (40%+ of gross income a year), I've had a 6-figure income for two decades, and we live like paupers, on 25% of our gross income, our newest car is 2001 and our cars average 150k miles on each of them, one was a used Nissan Altima. We eat out once per month. The sunset on our mortgage payments is when I'm 70+ and our latest house purchase is a shambles having been a rental for 20+ years and having never been remodeled in the 60 years since it was built, 1600 square feet, total.
The only way we are able to afford a house is because my wife got lucky with a startup company years ago, and that pile of cash is STILL >50% of the equity that we have in our house. And our house is in one of the cheaper areas of Palo Alto. Our house was being taxed at a valuation of $111,000 when we bought it for $2M, the previous owners paid $1100 a year in taxes. So that's the problem. It's just like 1849. The only people doing really well in the Bay Area are the ones selling the picks and shovels (i.e. the landlords and the company founders). There is no housing turnover because the tax system favors buy-and-hold. Houses over the past 30 years went up 7.8% a year ~ just as fast as the stock market.
So, don't assume that being from an Ivy League school will make you thrive in the Bay Area. Many people are not enjoying the finer things in life here. To have a decent chance at quality of life, you've _got to be DINKs (dual income no kids)_, and a $200k+ household income can help. Hitting a home run at a startup is the key to doing really well in the Bay Area. The chance to live here and possibly work at a grand-slam startup company, draws a ton of people who rent at exhorbitant rates, clog the freeways, and keep praying and living on borrowed time, hoping to strike it rich.
I would not be so dismissive of a job offer in Petaluma. I learned a long ago to measure my salary in after-tax square footage of housing in the locale, per year. Anything less than 125 sq ft. per year is a really bad job offer. I see houses for sale in Petaluma for $250 a square foot, which is about 135 sq. ft. a year in take-home pay ($38.5k net on $50k gross.) So you might find that the Petaluma job offer is the highest job offer you have ever had. When I consulted in Phoenix in 1996, I earned 1 entire house (1800 sq ft) per year, after taxes, every single year. By that measure - the most important measure - it paid far more than any other job that I have ever had ...
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Most Common Occupations - Protective service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)